[CafRacer]

I guess the only option would be to see if an aftermarket unit, like McCruise for a Thruxton, would plug in.

I don't understand why they got the system working well on the Bonneville and didn't roll it out across the full range of WC twins, they're all very similar under the skin.
It's not like a manufacturer to turn down opportunities for after sales and more profits.

Those MCCruise units make the Triumph CC look cheap

 

[tauzero]

The software side of things:

First, download the appropriate tune from tuneecu.net

Create a folder on the Android device at root level (ie. not in any other folders) called TuneECU and move the map to there. You may also have to use an unzipper such as 7zipper if it's in zip file format.

Loading a new tune into the bike:

Remove headlight fuse
Put on trickle charger
Plug OBDLink into bike
Turn on ignition
Start TuneECU
Select ECU | Connect and select OBDLink if necessary
Select Map | Open file and browse to map file
Select ECU | Reprogram
Noises from the bike stop - don't be alarmed
A progress bar shows - process takes about 15 minutes
Noises from the bike start again and "Updating data" and a progress bar appears
A prompt is shown when process is complete and the link disconnects
If desired, select ECU | Connect and ECU | Info to check map version
Turn off ignition
Put fuse back in
Unplug OBDLink

Enabling cruise control (I haven't done this yet so it's what I've gathered)

1) turn ignition on
2) turn kill switch to off and then back to run
3) press front brake and release
4) press rear brake and release
5) press clutch and release
6) turn accelerator all the way to the front (shutting throttle off, all the way to the stop)
7) press the cruise control button once

 

[tsmgguy]

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[mjg15]

I don't understand why they got the system working well on the Bonneville and didn't roll it out across the full range of WC twins, they're all very similar under the skin.
It's not like a manufacturer to turn down opportunities for after sales and more profits.

Those MCCruise units make the Triumph CC look cheap

They should, they are $600!

 

[Give The Cat a Goldfish]

Just been reading through this thread and considering fitting CC to my Thruxton R. The switch fitting and wiring is straightforward. What I'm not picking up on however is whether or not the factory standard ECU "map" actually has the CC function already implemented.

In other words, does the CC function just need to be enabled in the standard ECU, either by a dealer or by means of TuneECU, or is it necessary to install a complete new "map" for CC from TuneECU? Further, why shouldn't the CC function just work after switch installation as it does in the case of a quick shifter installation?

Incidentally, why does everyone call it a "map"' in the CC context? Map is normally in context with fuel mapping. Just a personal observation.

Thanks.

 

[tsmgguy]

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[CafRacer]

Just been reading through this thread and considering fitting CC to my Thruxton R. The switch fitting and wiring is straightforward. What I'm not picking up on however is whether or not the factory standard ECU "map" actually has the CC function already implemented.

In other words, does the CC function just need to be enabled in the standard ECU, either by a dealer or by means of TuneECU, or is it necessary to install a complete new "map" for CC from TuneECU? Further, why shouldn't the CC function just work after switch installation as it does in the case of a quick shifter installation?

Incidentally, why does everyone call it a "map"' in the CC context? Map is normally in context with fuel mapping. Just a personal observation.

Thanks.

As @tsmgguy said the standard program does not contain the cruise control functionality (or if it does it's not enabled) and there is no CC program to download for the Thruxton.
Like you I thought about just connecting a button to see if it did anything on the Thruxton but as I understand it when you download the cruise control map for a Bonneville it asks for the enabling sequence as soon as you switch the bike on, and as our bikes aren't doing that I'm assuming that any input from that button will be irrelevant.
not sure why they decided to go with two separate programs and instead just included CC in the standard one, they could have started the initialisation procedure with a press of the cc button, so it would be just idle in the background the same as the quick shifter function like you said.
it's entirely possible that the cruise control software is included in every watercool twin standard program and all the optional cruise control program does it just set one bit to enable it, but without access to set that bit you can't enable it yourself or via TuneECU.
I'm not sure how much access to the rest of the program Alain has, the tune ECU creator.
it may be worth asking the question on the tune ECU forum, if he can add CC enabling functionality into tune ECU.
Unfortunately tune ECU only gives you access to a limited selection of fuelling and ignition tables plus a few other parameters but there is probably thousands of lines of code in the program controlling all the functions of the bike that you cannot see or change, for that you would need some type of coding software.

I think people use the term "map" because that's what they are familiar with, you're correct that you're downloading a program that includes a number of maps (or tables) amongst a lot of other code.

 

[tahtye]

"What I'm not picking up on however is whether or not the factory standard ECU "map" actually has the CC function already implemented."
No, it doesn't. If it did, people would not have to have their dealers reprogram and activate the CC function after installing the new switch cube.


"In other words, does the CC function just need to be enabled in the standard ECU, either by a dealer or by means of TuneECU, or is it necessary to install a complete new "map" for CC from TuneECU? Further, why shouldn't the CC function just work after switch installation as it does in the case of a quick shifter installation?"
The reason you have to reprogram is because of what I just stated. The CC function isn't in the original map, you have to reprogram with the map that does have it.


Unfortunately, this will not work on your Thruxton. This will only work on the T100, T120 and Bobber models, afaik.

Thanks.
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[Give The Cat a Goldfish]

So has anyone actually wired in a normally open momentary button on a Thruxton R with factory standard ECU program and confirmed that the CC function cannot be enabled by a manually initiated sequence?
How do you know that the CC function is definitely not in the program? CafRacer or tahtye?
Sorry if I sound a bit skeptical, that's just me.

 

[Give The Cat a Goldfish]

Just thinking that the CC function may well be embedded somewhere in the standard ECU coding.

 

[tahtye]

How do you know that the CC function is definitely not in the program? CafRacer or tahtye?
Sorry if I sound a bit skeptical, that's just me.

I don’t know if it’s embedded or not.

The main issue for you is there is no map with the cc function available for your bike, period...

 

[Tradewind]

Based on all of this great discussion, I am thinking of trying this. Ordered a switch already, will need to get the right OBD adaptor (I have one that can read the codes but isn't one of the ones that it clearly seems to require), and borrow someone's android device (damn apple...). I searched the TuneECU forum but didn't get comfort that I new exactly which map to download for a 2016 T120 black to enable this. Anyone grab it already or could point to it?

 

[tahtye]

Here is a list of maps for the twins. Triumph_Twin_OEM_Tune_list

I copied the file (I used 30079) to my desktop (Win 10), extracted all, then copied the file into the TuneECU - Maps "Log" folder. Once there you can load it into the bike's ECU.

NOTE: One comment I'd like to make is, when I searched for an "Android device" I first bought a "Fire" tablet. These will not work. You need an Android OS, not necessarily an "Android device". I use a Samsung tablet and OBD LX scanner. I have not had a any map loading errors as I've read about others having.

 

[Tradewind]

Thank you!

 

[tsmgguy]

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[Harry M.]

To sum up, I think it's accurate to say that tahtye was able to access and enable the CC program on his bike that's factory loaded into the ECU of every T120. No such program exists within the Thruxton's ECU, which is locked and can't be programmed. No CC program exists for the Thrux, and it couldn't be downloaded if it did, not with the tools we have.

Accurate to say this is inaccurate and unhelpful. Factory map does not have CC included on T120. It's necessary to upload an entire new map that has CC attached. Thruxton ECU is not locked and can be reprogrammed, just not with CC. Thruxton fuel and ignition maps can be altered in Tuneecu and uploaded to the bike.

 

[tahtye]

To sum up, I think it's accurate to say that tahtye was able to access and enable the CC program on his bike that's factory loaded into the ECU of every T120. No such program exists within the Thruxton's ECU, which is locked and can't be programmed. No CC program exists for the Thrux, and it couldn't be downloaded if it did, not with the tools we have.

tsmgguy, I mean no disrespect. In reading your summary, it is apparent to me that you don't really know some of what you posted as "fact". I know you're only trying to help others, but it isn't helpful if you get the "facts" incorrect.

FYI -- "that's factory loaded into the ECU of every T120", this is not true.

 

[tsmgguy]

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[Harry M.]

Sure it is. Triumph's CC kit adds only the button and a couple of wires. The program is there in every T120 ECU right from the factory.

Wrong again. Misleading and inaccurate posts presented as factual information are unhelpful. The CC program is not there in every T120 from factory. That is the whole point of the Tuneecu part of this process. A new program/map has to be uploaded that contains the CC software. If you just add the switch, either DIY or Triumph's kit, the bike will not have CC, nor can it be 'activated' as there's nothing to activate. If you look at the list of ECU maps for the T120 posted by tahtye you'll see there are 6. Three without CC, ie factory, and three with CC. Three are needed for different emission regulations in various markets. My bike is a T100, I'm in Scotland, original map from factory is 30059, map with CC is 30084 and that is what I uploaded via Tuneecu. I downloaded the factory map, ie 30059, from Tuneecu to a Samsung tablet I use solely for Tuneecu so I have a copy if I ever want to revert to factory settings. I also have a custom map with CC, based on 30084, provided by Danielle at DNK Tuneworks, for upload once I finish installing a new cam. Once map upload is finished Cruise Control activation procedure has to be completed before cruise control is operational. All the maps for post 2016 Triumph twins are now published in Tuneecu.
By your own admission you lack understanding and wouldn't attempt this modification yourself. In which case please stop offering advice. It's very frustrating for those of us who have already done this and are trying to offer information to help others.

 

[tahtye]

By all means correct me if I'm wrong. Just trying to understand.

Triumph's CC kit adds only the button and a couple of wires. I don't think you downloaded the CC program to your T120's ECU with Tune ECU. The program was already there and you activated it, much as a dealer might do, right?

You are incorrrect again, along with almost everything you said in your summary. I'm going to be more direct. If you are trying to "understand" why are you posting advice? You are proving you do not fully understand what is happening here. Sorry.

My original DNK map was 30030. Look at it in post #73. That map does not have "Use with CC" in its description like my "new" map 30079. Do you see what I mean now?

Let me ask you, Have you ever reprogrammed your T120's ECU with TuneECU?