There's this thread, video, etc but no mention of problems fitting VW exhaust tips to the Scrambler:

http://www.triumphrat.net/twins-talk/447466-vw-beetle-tailpipes-on-scrambler-video.html

 

Thanks for that thread, Forchetto.

Most guys don't seem to have any trouble or at least don't mention it. In almost all pics the shields are very close or actually touching the pipes though.

I do remember seeing one post where the need to modify the shield was mentioned, but the exact modification wasn't described.

Anyway, mine definitely won't go on with the heat shield in the stock configuration.

Hopefully someone else who had to do a little modification before mounting these VW tips will chime in.

Thanks.

db

 

Damn, that video is cool. Sounds great, and I like the VW connection and the "non-kit" aspect of it all. Hope you get it worked out, it'll be worth it.

Scramblers sure do sound good with the right pipes.

 

It is a brilliant mod and doesn't get enough attention. Not just because it sounds good, but because the VW pipes add hardly any weight (about 3 lbs for the pair!), are small and neat and very low in cost. Even these in stainless steel cost just £27.50:

http://www.deimosaircooled.com/products/engine/exhaust/tailpipes/standard

 

Even after reading hundreds of posts on the weight savings, I was still amazed when I actually removed the stocker. I weighed it today... 17 lbs!

I ended up making a small bracket to move the top heat shield outward slightly. It was a few minutes' work and did the trick.

db

 

VW Exhaust Tips

OK I'm going to have to give this a try, For $40 bucks (shipping included) I got a set of stainless steel tips coming. I will take a few before and after photos when I start and get all the weights. Interesting project.

 

This thread also has lots of useful info on the VW pipes

http://www.triumphrat.net/twins-technical-talk/282802-08-scrambler-with-straight-pipes.html

 

Yeah, there are a number of great threads on this topic (the one mentioned above, one by Irutt and another by 3lliot, to name a few) that helped convince me to try this mod out. Unfortunately, none of them addressed my particular mounting problem.

I'm guessing that the mounts on my pipes were just aligned a little differently for some reason, since no one else seems to have encountered any problems.

 

Try using those EMGO angle pipes made for the Bonnies. That's what I did when I put the Emgo shorties on. You might like the result, they are cheap at like $39 I believe. Gets the angle pretty good IMO.

Pic of my setup.

 

I love your setup, Irutt. Aside from being nicely tucked in, the slightly longer profile also looks more appropriate when you still have a full fender. The straight pipes can look a little short if you haven't tidied up the tail section.

 

I've too have been struggling with how quiet and unattractive the stock exhaust is. Let alone how many times I've burned my pants on the pipe just ahead of the front heat shield (I'm 6'5" for reference).

So I recently pulled the shields, and painted them wrinkle semi gloss black. That helped in the looks dept, but it still sounds like my mom's old Singer sewing machine. I dont want to debaffle what might someday go back on the bike. I'm not even sure I want dual pipes all the way back (love the Arrow, but again-1000+ dollars is just insane).

My current plan is to keep the front curves, mate them together right at the factory front heat shield, and run a single pipe back to an old unused Supertrapp I have leftover from my sandrail project. No idea what it'll sound like, but it'll cost less than $100 total, and be one of a kind. Lets see if 10 years of metal fab skills are still in my head 8 years later.

PS, I've ridden with Gary and his scrambled Thruxton-it sounds amazing, I can only imagine how much cooler it'd be with the 270* crank.

Erik

 

Good luck with your project! Post some pics when you get it done.

If you change your mind and want some flared beetle tips for cheap let me know. I loved the look a lot, BUT my sensitive ears couldn't take the extra noise. I guess I'm just a sewing machine kinda guy. My airhead sounds the same way too.

Best of luck!

db

 

PM'd you.

It'll be a while before I pull the trigger on cutting/welding up stuff. Looks like the top pipe is one piece from the head flange to the back? I kinda dont want to butcher the headers for this to work-and a second set second hand on CL are way overpriced. I kicked around the idea of going TEC 2-1 low slung, but I'm concerned about right side controls needed modded, and destroying the Scrambler "look". Function over form though, who knows what it'll end up being.

Erik

 

Once you can post in the classifieds, put up a WTB add for a set of headers. If someone has them available, you'll usually get them for a way better price than anything on CL or eBay. Guys on here are really reasonable and try to help each other out.

db

 

I've recently swapped out the original silencers for the vw pipes. Top heat shield is resting against the pipes but not fouling enough to prevent installation. Made up some baffles similar to others I saw linked here from copper piping and tried to squeeze in a little matting - but not much room. Seems to have toned it down enough. Well worth trying and an easy switch out when required

 

Wotcher, what map did you use after installing the tips? i have the empi 3693's ready to go on but unsure which map to install.

 

Hey Scramnl no maps for me as mine's a cArb model. In fact it's bog standard other than AI disabled so need to feel how it's running before I get to rejetting. Initial impression is it doesn't feel much different but need to do a few more miles before I decide what's needed

 

Thanks Wotcher!

 

Scramnl - I'm running the tors map with mine, 20513 and it seems good. I will be removing the O2 sensors soon as I just did the AI removal and will give the arrow maps a test until I save some money and put on a ttp tune

 

hehehemann, haven't removed 02 sensors or AI yet - is it recommended that i do before changing out from stock? i plan on remapping this weekend using the arrow 20270 map. did you run the tors map at all before removing AI? how was it?

 

I did use the tors map on my stock scrambler with ai in place and the bike felt better than stock map. I used the tors map the most over the last year and would switch from the hefty stock cans to the vw tips depending if I had a passenger.
I'm basically doing little mods and then seeing how they bike runs before the next mod is started.
Ai removal has definitely helped with the running of the bike, there is no more back firing when decelerating and the on/off snatch throttle response has diminished.
You don't have to do the ai or o2 removal for the vw tips, they are just mods most people find beneficial and are easy to complete.
Over the next few weeks I will give the arrow maps a chance as I recently made an air intake belmouth out of the polaris belmouth for snowmobiles. (That really makes it sound good hearing the rush of air being sucked into the bike)

 

thanks for the info hehehemann. i like the fact that you could switch back and forth between the stock and vw mufflers using the tors map. my girlfriend rides with me a lot - hoping the vw tips won't be too close for comfort! may have to rethink the arrow and go with the tors instead based on solely on the transferability of mufflers....can't have her walking around with a seared right leg! (i assume that's the reason for alternating!)

 

Haha, yes, it was a case of my gf not liking how close her legs were to the end of the pipes and no heat shield.
I did briefly give a an arrow map a run but it dropped my mpg from a regular 130 miles til light down to 100 miles without significant difference from the tors.
Right now I run the vw pipes with tors tune, ai removal and the wider air intake/belmouth. Also have a 17t front sprocket and the bike is very quick off the mark.
I still have 6 months warranty on the bike, so all this except the ai removal is reversible to stock form. Ai removal is not a problem with the dealer I bought the bike from.

 

another older but new to me source of info as i am looking to get a roomier scrambler for a hack, thanks to all

 

Apologies for my ignorance, but I have a carb Scrambler with the TOR pipes and am considering trying out the VW mod for the weight savings. Can anyone tell me the difference in sound? Is the VW noticeably louder?

 

an update as i am getting a 19 street scram SOON + the catted exhaust gotta go!! seen some cat delete options + using the VW ends or the other Emgo posted by Irutt if still available as this thread is older + some links dont work. early shopping is what i like but buy when i get the bike. thanks to all for the info