Can't speak to the TTP maps, but I just installed TOR's on 2012 T100 (everything else stock) and used the suggested TuneECU map and performance is flawless. I'd try the free ones and if it doesn't work for you try the TTP's


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dealer maps only make minor adjustments, prolly restricted due to pollution laws, tune ECU does sooo much if you can do it its the way, a TTP tune is based on your modifications so its best used when all your upgrades are done, not just a fuel tune but a complete recalibration to suite your upgrades, many happy users on the forum. as soon as i learn how i will use it and get a TTP tune

 

TTP maps are made by a professional tuner taking into account different levels of mods and are dyno developed.

The free tunes on TuneECU are an unknown quantity although some are very good.

Some, like the donated Triumph standard, TOR and Arrow maps, are perfectly OK as they were supplied by the Factory originally, but they'll only take into account mild levels of mods: Exhaust system and that's about it, no air intake or other mods are contemplated in the Factory maps.

Some reading about TTP's tunes here:

http://www.triumphrat.net/twins-tec.../twins-technical-talk/188811-downloadable-efi-maps-from-triumph-twin-power.html

 

I've just this week finished my mods

Lossa Stubby exhausts
DNA Air Filter
Removed Air Box Snorkle and Baffle
Blocked AI
Removed O2 sensors (thanks Doctaton)
May yet cut back air filter cover instead of TTP Breathe
TTP Tune 4

I previously only had the exhausts and blocked AI and used the Arrow 2-2 tune which made a good difference to getting rid of the snatchy throttle and riding slow at low revs.

However, after all the mods and the TTP Tune I am one happy camper, such a difference in throttle response, low end revs and power! I would highly recommend it, as many others on here have (thanks to all for the education and info) it's put a smile on my face

 

However, after all the mods and the TTP Tune I am one happy camper, such a difference in throttle response, low end revs and power! I would highly recommend it, as many others on here have (thanks to all for the education and info) it's put a smile on my face

I agree, 100%. My T100runs perfectly with TTP3.

If you are just bolting a set of pipes on, the Triumph TORS or Arrow tunes are usually fine. If you start removing your airbox or baffle etc. then you need a TTP tune as none of the Triumph ones cater for the increased airflow.

 

If I go this route the mods would be

DNA FILTER
PREDATORS
TTP BREATHE
AIS REMOVAL.

TTP do a map for this so I am interested to know if the TUNE ECU map is any different or just the same?

 

Lanark, I did the same mods, except with Arrow 2-1 exhaust. I had the TTP 2 2-1 map. It feels like a different bike, smoother throttle response, way more power. So much so I had to replace the clutch springs with stronger ones (a good problem IMHO).

 

There are no TTP maps available to download from TuneECU.

One of the custom maps would be a closer map for your requirements than any of the stock Triumph items,
but as you mention TTP actually do one that's been written for your needs.

 

Bear in mind the TTP maps also give you some additional ignition advance which is believed to be favourable with intake mod's, don't think that's available from other tunes, certainly not Triumph sourced ones.

 

On my Nº3 tune from 50% of throttle and 2400 rpm it's advanced by up to nearly 3 degrees in a gradual manner, compared with the base factory map.

Makes an incredible difference to overall performance and specially during overtaking. We should not be surprised, TTP's re-programmed igniters with additional ignition advance for carbed models are widely appreciated in the tuning world.

 

I did the #3 tune with Togas; DNA and Breathe; AI, O2, snorkel, baffel removed and a 17 tooth. Pulls like a train. Starts instantly, never have used the "choke". What a joy not having to "rejet", and TTP getting it "right" the very first time.

 

Compared to most mods, a TTP tune is an absolute bargain. The bike runs so fantastic - smooth, responsive, fantastic mid-range, etc. and, as a bonus, the improved (i.e. reduced) fuel consumption (yes, really) means it's more than paid for itself.

 

I'm not sure where the current/active tuneecu general discussion thread is...but I finally ordered a proper OBDII tuneecu cable and am ready to remap (with other people's maps) but have simple, possibly stupid questions:

1. Are there any user generated, well reviewed custom Scrambler maps out there?
2. I see that custom bonnie/airbox remove/etc. map (20188) on the official site, and have read the threads praising it...anything like this for a Scrambler?

Many thanks...couldn't be more excited. As for this thread, I may end up shelling out for the designer TTP tunes, but would like to play around just a bit beforehand.

 

Many thanks...couldn't be more excited. As for this thread, I may end up shelling out for the designer TTP tunes, but would like to play around just a bit beforehand.

Once you try some of the freebee tunes out there and finally "shell out" for a TTP tune, you'll kick yourself for not doing it sooner.

In all seriousness, TTP tunes are the best value of any single performance mod on an EFI bike, and key to getting the most out of all the other items you've spent good money on. Mike (PieMan) at TTP is a fellow enthusiast and will look after you.

 

Am I the only one who thinks those TTP tunes are ridiculously expensive? Must be a 1st to 3rd world issue then, the average salary here in South Africa being about a 1/7th of that in the US...

 

It depends how you look at it, on my bike I've added Predators, DNA airfilter and a Breath bellmouth and the tune is only a small part of the overall cost. It annoys me that there are many purveyors of tuning parts who are quite happy to take the money for the parts but not supply what you need to get the best out of them on your bike, so hats of to Pieman for taking the time to do this.

It may take the sting out a bit if the tune cost reduced when the parts were also bought from TTP but you pays your money you takes your choice nobody else seems to be making canned tunes so your choice is either pay for some dyno time (with someone who knows how to drive TuneECU, or add a PC-V at extra cost/complexity) or make do with a tune which was only designed for exhaust mod's and not get the best out of the other cost you've put into it (or not mod' your bike which is obviously a non-starter).

 

Well that opens up a can of worms...but considering the extent of the tunes, dyno time, labor, etc., it's a pretty decent deal compared to the alternatives or competitors (pretty much none). My post didn't mean to imply they were over priced, as it seems all twisty roads lead to the TTP tunes...unless you know what you are doing on your own, which I certainly do not.

 

LOL, yeah, didn't mean to start a political or humanitarian debate, was just trying to show a different point of view due to different circumstances.

The fact that there's no competition does not relate to better value though, usually it's the opposite.

 

And I'm sure they could charge a lot less and still make money... But yeah, I get what you guys are saying, the value of anything is what someone is prepared to pay for it, there does not have to be any correlation between the monetary and intrinsic value.

 

there does not have to be any correlation between the monetary and intrinsic value.

I don't understand that, surely all the value of a tune is intrinsic, for sure you don't buy it to look good. However just because it is not something you can get hold of doesn't mean it is worth less than something solid like a pipe or an air filter.

 

In the quest for better performance, I have "jetted" a number of carbed motors, 2 stroke and 4 stroke: Amals, Dellortos, Mikunis, Keihins, Bings. I changed a lot of cans JOMO, White Bros, Bassani, Super Trap etc. all without the help of the internet or a dyno. Some "Cycle" mag articles and mostly "Seat of the Pants" Most worked out well, considering it was trial and error. But a 1973 Husqvarna 400WR WOT main jet test came to a costly conclusion (holed the piston) when replaced the OEM Bing with a Mikuni. Never have I had all my intake and exhaust modifications done and got it PERFECT, right away, the first time, until I did the TTP #3 on my Bonneville. Starts instantly, no missing, no hesitation, no surging, just pulls hard. The elimination of the "bull ****" factor was well worth the cost. Way to go Mike.

 

OK, I wasn’t going to comment any more on this thread, but I really have to take issue with some of the comments being made as it’s obvious that those making them don’t understand business in general or the software business in particular.

Many software companies, even the biggest ones on the planet, "borrow" ideas and code as a starting point. By adding their own IP (Intellectual Property), they produce their own product. Yes, software is a product as real as any piece of metal you can pick up. Software development takes time and expertise to develop. A software developer, like any of us, expects to make a living for his efforts.

Now, consider TTP. What Mike has done is invested many, many hours of his time and applied his expertise to develop his product suite - his set of tunes – which is a software product. To remain relevant, he has to continually monitor what common mods are out there, changes to ECU's etc. Yes, his product is based on open source code, but that makes his IP no less valuable. If you don't want to pay the very modest fee for his knowledge expertise that are captured by his tunes, then don't, but don't belittle the very real investment that has gone into creating these tunes. We are very fortunate to have this option.

 

Many software companies, even the biggest ones on the planet, "borrow" ideas and code as a starting point. By adding their own IP (Intellectual Property), they produce their own product.

That's exactly what I said, you just paraphrased my words and then passed them off as your own with no regard for my IP.

Yes, software is a product as real as any piece of metal you can pick up.

LOL, how does someone so business literate have no concept of physics?

 

Thruxton

I had a standard thruxton till my son sent me some bits and ordered me to fit them! Being an old git I was fine with carbs,jets cams etc. to tune a bike with a laptop was black magic to me. I got the top tune to suit my mods and once I had the kill switch in the right position all went well. The difference in the bike is amazing, love it even more. Now having done it I told some friends and they all said" how much!" Then they rode my bike, there is a queue waiting for warranty to expire and they will modify their bikes. It isn't expensive,its a lot cheaper than swapping the bike. And gives you the bike triumph should have given us,but couldn't. I recommend it,just do it,you won't regret it.wal

 

Well that didn't take long...As of last night, my Scrambler now has the TTP #12 tune. What an amazing change...there is a dip in the road a few blocks away, after a stop sign...I gunned it as a normally would to have a bit of fun, but this time I left the ground coming out of the dip, the revs topped out in the air, I came down and the revs were still bouncing off the redline for a second. Because the tame Hinckley twin the only bike I've ever had or ridden, I didn't realize all that happened was a quick spin out upon landing...I thought I had blown out second gear! What did I know?...I've never had power before. So I immediately shifted up into third, turned around still in third and dreaded shifting back down into second to see what was up...until I saw the skid mark. I realized how stupid it was to think I blew out a gear in the transmission, and happily proceeded to flog the bike on a few on-off ramps, strictly for testing purposes.

As far as daily driving, I just commuted in to work, stop-n-go for 15 minutes...throttle response greatly improved, idle's more comfortably at 1000rpm, couldn't be happier.

 

I've just finished my first tank of petrol since the re-map and all i can say is happy days!

Ok so stock, bike was doing say about 125kms before petrol light came on, all city riding.

After changing exhausts and using Arrow 2-2 tune and filling tank with 20 euros, I pulled in for petrol (no light) at around the 130kms mark to be very surprised that it only took another 10 euros to fill, that was with highway riding around 100/120kph and about 20kms of tight twisties n slow riding. There had been maybe a few kms of city riding too. Granted not riding in the city probably has a lot to do with that.

Whatever way i had figured it out i was getting roughly 100kms for every 10 euro. I know just work out mpg already! but i gota be different n complicate things more than they should be lol

Anyway, after the airbox mods and TTP Tune, filled it with 20 euros again, 4kms city riding, coastal and same mountain route total 220kms before petrol light came on, filled at 231kms, panicking as thought i was gona run out of petrol on motorway, only took 15 euros to fill!! Maybe i'll actually do the math the next time n save all the waffle lol

Also, is it my imagination or did my exhausts get louder too? I know there's supposed to be a louder induction roar with everything removed but it sounds more like the exhausts.

 

Frankly, I think that given what a series of dyno runs and the tuner's cost would be, TTP is cheap. He knows what he's doing, the tunes are amazing. His market isn't that big, either. there's only so many Bonnevilles in the world, and most will never see any mods.

 

Tailpipes £230
Luggage rack £55 (used)
Engine bars £110
AI kit £25
O2 kit £25
Top box £120
Panniers £220
Hagon shocks £200
TTP Breathe £72
DNS filter £50
Seat latch kit £45
PDOiler £75

TTP3 tune £108

Expensive? No way, it's transformed my T100!!!

 

TTP3 tune £108

Wow, I'm sure the tune was only 80 something when I did mine a few months ago.

 

opcorn

 

Perhaps V.A.T hasn't got up that far north yet?

 

New guy observations.

Only one person likes the Tune ECU map?

TTP is the greatest, not one disgruntled customer and a bargain at $125 - $150 US?

Hmmmm

 

TTP is the greatest, not one disgruntled customer and a bargain at $125 - $150 US?

Everyone I know who has gone for the TTP map has come away completely gruntled.

 

I will chime in here i have no experience with the ttp map and of course am interested in getting it mainly because of my concern over proper fueling and safe engine operation. That said i have Predators, AI removal, disconnected O2 sensors, and ARK on my 13' thruxton and remapped using Tune ECU 20498. thruxon airbox. Tune ECU is such an awesome tool to have for my bike i cannot say enough about how happy i am to have access to this and will most certainly will donate to the website as it is invaluable.

Based on simply riding the machine I can tell you this. The bike starts better than stock. The bike idles pretty darn smoothly. It does stumble occasionally but that may have been there as stock just amplified now by my wonderful exhaust note. The bike accelerates very well. The increase in torque and horsepower is very apparent expessially at higher revs. The power comes on and it pulls hard all the way to redline as long as you are on the gas I can feel no flat spots. The only issue i have had is running along at low rpm the bike feels a bit dodgy. doesn't run poorly by any means but there is some surging and slight unevenness about the ride in 3rd gear around 3000 rpm i am going about 40 mph. So cruising isn't as smooth as i would like it to be. Strangely enough on the highway it feels spot on and very powerful. As i said before where as before the mods/remap the bike felt like it would creep up in rpm as i gave it throttle It now charges forward and you feel the power come on like a hot rod. Will the TTP map be even better? I don't know i will likely find out as even though I am pretty happy with the 20498 tune it seems slightly off in the low rpms and my mind is a curious one.

 

New to this in some ways....

I have an SCT programmer for my Merc. I bought it with a custom program for my car. Plug-n-play.

I have a brand new Bonneville and just put on TOR mufflers. I had the dealer download the TOR tune...but I'm not sure it made any difference...which leads me to believe they didn't do it.

I only put on the TOR mufflers because I wanted that sound. I don't plan on doing any other mods (airbox, etc.) I blocked off the AI system and there is no backfiring.

The bike still feels lean under 3k rpm. I still get great gas mileage (48-52mpg.) The throttle response is still a bit jerky (on/off) even when not completely closing the throttle.

With tuneecu, is there a way to balance the throttle bodies, or old fashioned vacuum gauges good enough?

Please advise as to whether or not the tuneecu and TTP maps would be a worthwhile investment to get better driveability.

 

With tuneecu, is there a way to balance the throttle bodies, or old fashioned vacuum gauges good enough?

TuneECU has an easy-to-operate throttle body balancing function. Takes just minutes to carry out. Much easier than messing about with vacuum gauges.

Connect-up, start engine, click on "TESTS", tweak the balance screw until the two combined analogue/digital gauges at the top left of the screen read about the same: