[nateonator]

I know lots of people are mounting TCK80 front with the various Motoz rears to help with that floatation. But then that gets in to the mix of bias and radial...

Seriously, please keep us posted. Would love to know if that settles down or not.

Thanks,

Zolo

I think Motoz was looking for a better on road, off road front tire, more in line with the TKC80 and came out with the Dual Venture front tire. That's what I have paired with the tractionator adventure rear. Very limited seat time so far though.

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[zolo]

I think Motoz was looking for a better on road, off road front tire, more in line with the TKC80 and came out with the Dual Venture front tire. That's what I have paired with the tractionator adventure rear. Very limited seat time so far though.

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Awesome. Would love to hear what you think at the end of the season, @nateonator

Zolo

 

[flyingburritobrother]

Seriously, please keep us posted.

You know it.

 

[bikemoto]

Motoz have completely re-vamped their website, and now list the Tractionator DualVenture. Seems to have the same compound as the Adventure, which means the RallZ probably still has better wet grip.

TRACTIONATOR DUALVENTURE - Motoz

TKC80 have fundamentally sucked dogs balls on every bike I've had them on. IF they work, they are super-fussy about pressure. Definitely can't recommend. Usually there are a couple of better choices, but many people seems to 'run home to mama', just jump from a 90/10 type tyre to the TKC80 and not try the others in the class. YMMV.

Here's the most recent adventure tyre review from Kyle Bradshaw:

 

[OKTriumph]

Actually, I was quite happy with the Trailmax Mission overall. It had good grip off road. It just sucked in sand/mud (which I tend to avoid). It had great on road response as well. It's a fantastic tire. I did wear out the rear out in 1 year. Front still had some life.

I went with the Rallz because I wanted more bite...that's all. They came highly recommended by someone who's input I trust. However, he doesn't have a 21" front wheel on his bike....so we'll see how that translates on mine. They're new right now and definetely feel "weird" compared to the Trailmax....they need breaking in. The only place that gave me pause was on our grooved freeways. They felt very floaty....but keep in mind, this was riding from the tire shop to home....brand spanking new.

What size front did you go with?

 

[flyingburritobrother]

What size front did you go with?

90/90-21 front 150/70-17 rear Tubeless.

 

[OKTriumph]

90/90-21 front 150/70-17 rear Tubeless.

Thanks, for some reason that size did not show on their website when I was looking at it earlier. Now it does.

 

[xtypeinct]

Any updates on the Motoz Rallz? That means you Burrito boy…

Just put on a TCK70 Rocks rear, replaced a TKC70, and waiting for a TKC80 TL front to arrive. Still have my (almost worn) TKC70 front on. Like the better dig of the Rocks, while still pretty smooth on road. Continental recommends the TKC80 to pair with the Rocks rear for a more aggressive off road package that is still streetable.

Really thinking hard about the Rallz for next set of sneakers. Things can get spretty snotty in the Smoky Mountains, hence my going TKC80 front. But I’m in need of something that will handle sum pavement as well. (Imagine riding Tail of the Dragon on full knobs, Yikes!) Since I live like a half hour from The Tail, all my friends who visit want to hit that up.

Cheers,
RD

 

[flyingburritobrother]

Wow this thread fell of the radar...almost a year.

So my experience with the Motoz Rallz.

Lets talk off-road first.... These tires absolutely excel in dirt....grip is a big step above 50/50 type tires. If you're riding in sand the Ralls make a huge difference from 50/50s. Just remember it's sand within reason too, we're on bigger ADV bikes, not 250 pound enduro/mx bikes. No tire is going to save you in death sand. Mud...I can't report on because I avoid mud...that's just a day spent picking up your bike. There isn't much else to say ....they're a great tire when the pavement ends.

As for on road, they took some adjustment for me. ...and when I first put them on they were terrifying...probably because I was riding home from the shop on grooved San Diego freeways.
The knobbies made the bike feel like I was riding on a greased non-stick frying pan...and that was in a straight line. After break-in/scrubbing, they were fine on road....but a step down from Dunlop Trailmaxxes I had before . I'm not a pavement ripper anyway, so it didn't affect me that much. I just never got comfortable pushing them... but I don't push speed in twisties even with 90/10 or 50/50 tires. I've got a friend who uses these same tires on his 1250 GS (fatter/smaller dia front wheel) and he rips the pavement with them. Loves them to death. So, it's probably a matter of skill/comfort in my case. Maybe the skinny 21" front wheel contributes too, I just don't know. You could ride Tail of the Dragon with these....but depending on your skill/comfort, you're not going to want to be trying to set time records. Plus...those twisties would just eat up the knobs. One more comment: The Ralls are noisy....especially when worn down. All that said, don't take my comments here as a negative review for on-road use. They work...but you are trading off for the off-road grip.

In the end, I spend most of my time off road, so these are the tires for me. I wore out the rear with about 3K on it....tread life sucks. I just replaced the rear with the MOTOZ Adventure rear which is still a knobby, but will probably last 1/3 longer. Figured i'd give it a try. Haven't had the chance to ride it off road yet, I'm laid up for a while (for off-road at least).

Hope this helps....

 

[xtypeinct]

Thanks for your take on the Rallz. Most of the stuff I had seen/read were from fanbois who said they came from the hand of God or something. I had in the past rode TKC80’s but those were on much less capable bikes (RE Himalayan, V-Strom 650, Scambler 900). I can really carve up the twisties with the TKC70’s, amazingly so, but the front is pretty much worthless on anything off pavement but a groomed fire road. The new Rock’s rear that is now on is a big step forward over the standard TKC70. So the reason I’m putting the TKC80 front on Is to see if the 70/80 combo will be capable enough. (Been a bitch to get one Tubeless). I’m familiar with it’s road character. I do like 7k-10k a year. Prolly 70% on road, cuz I travel to ride with friends in NE. BDR stuff. But when I DO go off road, it’s fairly aggressive riding. Not enduro singletrack, although the RP seems capable if I were of the mind. Older and wiser, as they say… My days of catching big air and dancing in the woods are behind me. Been noodling the idea of keeping two sets of sneakers on hand. A set of either TKC70’s or Missions, for mile munching and a set of Rallz for BDR’s, SM500 stuff with river crossings and rock strewn ascents/descents. Not much sand around me, unless I head south east towards SC/FL, which is a big no. And mud is the suxxor everywhere ya find it.

Thanks for your feedback. Hope ya get back on the trails soon.

Cheers,
RD

 

[Battle Cat]

I just bought a set of Mitas E-07 Dakars and will be getting them fitted in the coming weeks. Gotta get the bike up on a stand to yank off the wheels and take them up to my local Cycle Gear. The reviews on them are very positive, and Brett Tkacs swears by them, so we'll see. Got a trip to Colorado coming up with friends to ride trails and sections of the BDR, and definitely need new shoes for that. I'll try to remember to reply here once I've got some time in the saddle on them.

 

[JfromMN]

In the 50/50 tire range the new (not yet available) Dunlop Trailmax Raid look pretty interesting..