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You don't have to be perfectly flattened on all the spokes (and you don't want to be, as you might damage the tape on the nipples), but you need a complete seal on each side of them.
I bought a couple of these: https://www.banggood.com/40mm-Silicone-Gel-Seam-Pressure-Roller-for-Hot-Air-Heating-Welding-Tool-p-1072499.html
It's not perfect, but better than using your fingers!
Ok, Thanks. I thought about the scooter wheel as well...even if you just used it by hand as a press
 
My plan is to use the recommended Loctite 290 Green and then use the 3M 4412N tape.
I used a product called E6000 from hobby lobby to seal my spokes. It took several coats and was time consuming, had to brake the tire down a couple of times. After a few days one wheel developed a leak around the threads again so I removed the valve core and applied Locktite 290 to the threads from the hub side of the nipple without removing the wheel. Later on the other wheel developed a slow leak between the nipple and the rim, applied the 290 to that area, after deflating the tire and letting set over night. After riding a few more weeks I went ahead and sealed all of the spokes from the outside with the Locktite. That was months ago and all is well. I will reseal the spokes from the inside with E6000 when new tires are needed.
I said all of this to let others know that the green Loctite will seal from the outside. Also to protect your sealer, tape or whatever you use, tie a string around an old rim strip, so you can pull it out after mounting the tire.
 
Forgot to ask... what valves are you guys using? Any normal one for tubeless rims? No need to modify the hole on the wheel? I need to go back to the big thread on this and read... answer must be there are well...
 
For whatever help it might bring, the tire valve is a NAPA Motorcycle Tubeless Clamp-In Tire Valve part number 90-426.

Loctite 290 = Permatex Threadlocker Green item #29000.

I got the 50mm. I wouldn't bother with that liquid tape. I have a bottle of the stuff, and there's no way I'd use it to seal spokes.
Am following this thread with interest to see various ways to seal spokes before I decide. Can you say why not Liquid Electrical Tape? It sounds like a easy way to seal spoke ends.
 
Can you say why not Liquid Electrical Tape? It sounds like a easy way to seal spoke ends.
Not the OP, but I'd favor something like silicone caulk over LET. Put it this way: which one would you rather seal an aquarium with? In fact, aquarium hobbyists figured this kind of things out decades ago with their elaborate DIY cases and pump setups, might want to use the same products they use.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/DAP-2-8-oz-Silicone-Aquarium-Sealant-00688/100128841
 
Not the OP, but I'd favor something like silicone caulk over LET. Put it this way: which one would you rather seal an aquarium with? In fact, aquarium hobbyists figured this kind of things out decades ago with their elaborate DIY cases and pump setups, might want to use the same products they use.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/DAP-2-8-oz-Silicone-Aquarium-Sealant-00688/100128841
Is it possible that this stuff is just another version of silicone building caulk commonly available in larger dispensing tubes for use in a caulking gun at a much lower price. A common practice with marketing people is to repackage materials of any kind in a smaller container with language dedicated to a specific use to give the buyer the confidence needed to buy the stuff. Silicone building caulk is durable stuff too; is resistant to weather especially sunlight.
 
Am following this thread with interest to see various ways to seal spokes before I decide. Can you say why not Liquid Electrical Tape? It sounds like a easy way to seal spoke ends.
Honestly, the stuff leaves a thin, smooth, very pretty layer of paint on stuff. That's great, and it would probably seal against leaks reasonably well, but you'd have to paint blobs over every nipple at least 1-2mm thick with at least 10mm of overlap to be confident that it wouldn't get any gaps if the wheel flexes and a spoke moves a fraction. Plus, any sharp pieces or even small holes on a spoke nipple will probably make a small bubble or micro-perforation.
By the time you've farted around with all that painting stuff you might as well have applied a strip of pre-formed sealing material that is already 1-2mm thick, is guaranteed not to have any porous sections, and is reasonably robust.
That's the principal behind the Outex kits, and the only reason I use the 3M tape is because it's cheaper, plus I wanted to have some 90° valves because they're a bugger to get an air-hose onto on the Thruxton, particularly the front wheel!

Honestly, anything silicon or plastic based and flexible would suffice, and it just boils down to whether you want to be 100% certain there will be no slow-leaks after you first set it up. For me, I hate the idea of having to re-strip it all down to fix a tiny hair-line gap on the 23rd spoke, whereas if I stick tape across the whole damned thing then I'm pretty much guaranteed it will never leak.

But, obviously it's up to you. The Liquid Electrical Tape will probably work fine, I simply wouldn't bother because 3M tape has a better chance of first-time success and longevity.
 
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I have Outex Tubless Kit on order. Not sure when I will be able to fix it. One question, do we need to do wheel balancing later?
You shouldn't need to as long as the tyre is replaced in the same position it was removed (that's why they usually mark the tyre-wall in line with the valve when they remove it).
Having said that, there's no guarantee that your wheel was particularly well balanced from the factory, so you could check it anyway :)
 
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@Baster - do you still have the eBay link to the valves? Are those 8.3mm or 11.3mm?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PAIR-MOT...YRE-VALVE-DUST-CAPS-/321504517845?hash=item4adb299ed5:m:mMN5gtajJRHfgOcdAssUr8g

No need to alter the existing hole. Also, check this guys store as they also do 90 degree valves too which I am most certainly going to replace the straight ones with.

This threads moved on nicely from my original post and there's some great info coming to light. :smile2:
 
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There's some excellent discussion here and we are all learning something.

My intentions with the liquid tape are due to it's ability to be flowed around the nipple and through the centre with capillary effect and having some substance but retaining flexibility and then applying the 3M tape over the top. In this it's quite likely to be effective but we will know soon when I do the rear tyre.

I now know there are at least several other sealants that will do including green loctite . My original intention was to use an advanced silicone copolymer sealant , but ease and tidyness of application was foremost in my mind. Subsequent research has shown that silicone alone is often employed for sealing vintage car wheels and there are some easily found articles on the interweb about this.

There are also a welter of tape products sold for this purpose in cycling circles , including one that is orange in colour and comes in widths of up to 43 and 75mm. It would be interesting to see if anyone has used these, but for now I will go with the 3M 4402 ( not 4401 such as I used -works fine , but!?) the gaffer tape may prove to be porous after a while whereas sealing tapes are usually homogeneous.

As for valves , convenience dictates a right-angled stem and aesthetics leans toward the straight ones. There are plenty of clamp-on types available in both configurations and these will go through the existing holes without alteration. I didn't measure but they appear to be about 8.5mm diameter.
These clamp-on valves are routinely used in racing and other demanding applications so their reliability is good according to the research I have conducted.
NOTE :- See next post by Jsobell in regard to valves and their sizing.


I shall also be raiding the local skate park for a wheel in order to better apply tape .��

Original job still holding up just fine but it could have been done better and soon will be.
 
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PAIR-MOT...YRE-VALVE-DUST-CAPS-/321504517845?hash=item4adb299ed5:m:mMN5gtajJRHfgOcdAssUr8g

No need to alter the existing hole. Also, check this guys store as they also do 90 degree valves too which I am most certainly going to replace the straight ones with.

This threads moved on nicely from my original post and there's some great info coming to light. :smile2:
You have to be careful, because the holes in the rims are 8mm, designed to take the threaded inner valve of a tube, and almost all of the advertised ones (including the example you posted) are designed to fit into standard tubeless rims where they take a larger rubber bung-style valve.
Lots of people drill the holes out to take a more typical valve, but there are smaller fitting valves available like these with a 7mm thread:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/152202635338
The fitting itself is obviously a standard size, but the thread hole into the rim is only 7mm instead of 10.5mm
 
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You have to be careful, because the holes in the rims are 8mm, designed to take the threaded inner valve of a tube, and almost all of the advertised ones (including the example you posted) are designed to fit into standard tubeless rims where they take a larger rubber bung-style valve.
Lots of people drill the holes out to take a more typical valve, but there are smaller fitting valves available like these with a 7mm thread:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/152202635338
The fitting itself is obviously a standard size, but the thread hole into the rim is only 7mm instead of 10.5mm
Excellent! Thanks for sorting that out. Those do have a stepped rubber gasket and seem to be doing the job but the right ones would be better.
Those you linked are cheap enough and exactly what I was looking for initially, and it looks like they may be available in black too.

Updated:- Ordered but could not find black in that size. Paint will sort it.:smile2:
 
Say, I am using a TPMS (Fobo), and i have spied T-shaped valves that would be perfect. TPMS on top, fill-up valve on the side.

Do you know about these? Would you know where to supply them from?

Thanks

NN
 
Three years ago I sealed my wire wheels using Loctite Green 290. I posted about this in the Air cooled twins technical talk, so this is a sort of feedback post.
I used the Loctite only so if you look at the rims without tires on you don't see anything besides bare spoke nipple heads! In all this time the sealing has been reliable and I did pick up a nail once. Pressure loss was slow enough that I was able to get home (about a 60 km ride) to repair it in my garage. Much better than having to do it at the roadside.
There are several ways and sealants available and as long as it keeps the air inside I guess it's okay. I found that the 290 did that and was also really easy to apply.
I think that what's most important is that whatever sealant is used it should be thin enough to be able to seep (wick) into the the threads and mating surfaces of the rim and spokes and remain reasonably flexible when cured.
I'm not convinced that any tape is a long term solution because it doesn't actually seal the leak and only provides a barrier which is unfortunately in a vulnerable area when tire changes are done. On the other hand lots of people are using tape so if it works, that's great!
 
I'm not convinced that any tape is a long term solution because it doesn't actually seal the leak and only provides a barrier which is unfortunately in a vulnerable area when tire changes are done. On the other hand lots of people are using tape so if it works, that's great!
I'm not quite getting what you mean here. In what way does the tape not "seal the leak"? It create a sealed cap that completely covers every nipple and seals to the metal surrounding each one, so it's far more resilient than Loctite and unless you manage to get wrinkles in it there is no way it can leak.
Perhaps you're misunderstanding how the tape works. It's not some sort of dry tape that simply lies over the nipples, it's more like a band of high-stickiness silicon goo that is almost impossible to remove once stuck down.
 
My plan is to use the recommended Loctite 290 Green and then use the 3M 4412N tape.


Me too!

I work for the company and the 290 will do the job!


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Say, I am using a TPMS (Fobo), and i have spied T-shaped valves that would be perfect. TPMS on top, fill-up valve on the side.
I looked at the Fobo, but the modules are huge (3cm wide, 2cm deep), and I'm not wild on the fact they have to hold the valve permanently open to measure the pressure. It would look really weird with this big ball thing stuck to the valve :)
Still, if you want the T-valve, they sell them on their site: http://www.fobotyre.com.au/tyre-t-valve
You would obviously have to do the tubeless conversion to fit it with the T-adapter, but you can use the sensors as-is if you leave the tubes in.

I'd look at something like this: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Car-Wireless-TPMS-Andriod-IOS-Tire-Pressure-Monitor-System-4-Internal-Sensors-/311889838962
Works out to $24 per motorbike :)
 
Three years ago I sealed my wire wheels using Loctite Green 290. I posted about this in the Air cooled twins technical talk, so this is a sort of feedback post.
I used the Loctite only so if you look at the rims without tires on you don't see anything besides bare spoke nipple heads! In all this time the sealing has been reliable and I did pick up a nail once.
As far as I know Caromba was the first person to use Loctite Green 290 to seal spokes. I am thankful that he sheared with us. After reading his first post about the Loctite I must admit that I was skeptical but after using it from the outside on a couple of spokes that developed leaks after I used another product inside the wheel, I am a believer. However being a big fan of overkill when I get around to doing my other bike I will seal them from the inside with another product and after I'm satisfied with no leaks I will deflate the tire and apply the Loctite Green 290 to every spoke, just for insurance. That way two products will have to fail before I have a problem.
 
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