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My 2023 Tiger Sport 660 is falling apart??

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#1 ·
(((I suppose this is a bit of venting, but I am certainly curious if I'm the only one experiencing these issues with a brand new bike)))


I went out to the garage yesterday and saw the left-side Circlip (circular clip? part T3500207) sitting in literal pieces on the floor beneath the bike. Not to insult anyone's intelligence or experience, but to clarify to all: these are the pieces which hold the pivot pin in the footrests to keep them from falling off. When I looked at the right side, that part was completely missing from that footrest as well. The pillion footrests' circlips are all currently intact. I have no clue how long I've been riding like this, but I can only imagine what would happen if suddenly my footrests suddenly dropped off (along with the spring) while riding along the highway.

For the record: I ride sensibly. I've never tipped my bike over. I've never run into anything. I've never jumped a curb, popped a wheelie, done a stoppie, smoked the back tire... I'm a civil (read: tame) rider.

I called the dealership here in Hawaii where I ordered/purchased the bike (Cycle City), and asked them about it. To my dismay, and not surprisingly I suppose, they don't stock these seemingly common, tiny pieces which look to match up with ~200 models of Triumph motorcycles. Oh, and these pieces which I can imagine only weigh a fraction of an ounce (est. <1gram) cost $5 USD each (~3.93 UK Pounds). Yup, that price is for each circlip. Not for a 4-pack, not for a 2-pack... EACH. Obviously, shipping them will take several weeks before they get to the dealer here. I looked into ordering them online all by myself, only to discover:

1) these tiny parts are all apparently located only in the UK, with none in the US.
2) most places in the UK want to charge a minimum of $20 USD for shipping the weight equivalent of 1/2 teaspoon of sugar. One place even stated their shipping cost was $49.99USD.

Along with the circlips drama, I also discovered that the small, circular swingarm pivot cover (part T2075326) on the left side has also just disappeared. (le sigh).

I am making a warranty claim through the dealer here, and they stated that they'll need it in their shop for half a day to give it a 'once-over' and take pictures... fair enough, I suppose.



MY OBVIOUS CONCERNS:
  • If these tiny circlips (and the swingarm pivot cover) are just falling off/apart for no apparent reason other than normal riding, I can only imagine that it will continue to happen because it's happened thrice now already.
  • What is a solution? Aftermarket clips - do these even exist? Glueing, soldering or welding solution? Makeshift twisted wire in place of the clips?
  • This is an extreme irritant to have such a tiny piece (circlips) cause such an unsafe risk, and then be so unavailable/non-accessible.
  • Price-wise, it is uncivilized.
  • I was planning on taking this exact bike to mainland U.S. in 2025 to ride it across the country before coming back to Hawaii. Is this what I can expect from this bike? Small pieces just falling apart as I ride?

If you've gotten this far, cheers (and apologies for the venting). If anyone else is experiencing any of these issues, please chime in. I'd love to hear about it and hopefully learn some solutions.

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#2 ·
Not trying to be A-hole but end of the pin looks awful beat up. Why is dealer not replacing them under warranty? I have put plenty of miles on 3 different Triumphs and never seen one break. These are just C-clips and should be able to get from just about any auto parts store if you don't want to wait on dealer. Just carefully remove one from passenger peg to match up.
 
#3 ·
Is that some kind of dirt or corrosion or scuff marks all over the peg hanger? Even a good hardware store might have those C clips. I've never broken one even when they're stubborn to remove. Very strange. Those clips are not some bespoke part from Triumph. Just need to find the right size as stated above. Used on all sorts of equipment. Home Depot should have them.
 
#4 ·
Sorry to hear about this.

I absolutely do NOT ride my Tiger 660 sensibly. Ring it's neck daily, even rip down the random fire road on occasion. Just about to hit 10k miles in 7 months of ownership and no issues. I hope it stays that way!

Granted I do routinely wash/lube/inspect/tighten and it's garage kept, so even though I run it through the mud and bounce off the limiter, it does have regular spa days and a comfy place to sleep :giggle:
 
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#7 ·
Very odd, but if you make a million of something, some of them will break. That said, they could have been installed incorrectly, i.e., not fully seated -- which is likely what happened to the swingarm pivot cover.

As noted above, the circlips are widely available.

And yes, you should go over every nut and bolt and clip.
 
#9 ·
I recently did some modifications to the side stand on my Tiger 900. The stand pivot pin is also held in place by a circlip. I am not a huge fan of this system of retention for exactly the reason you stated, if the pin breaks or falls off, bye-bye side stand. I would much rather have this be a bolted arrangement.
That being said I have not had any quality or reliability issues with my bike thus far (knock on wood). I concur with the others here that you can easily replace the circlips with parts from other more accessible sources. There is nothing special about the dealer provided parts other than the exorbitant prices.
On another note, as mentioned also by others, your chain can use a little attention. I can’t tell if it’s slack but there is definitely rust forming on the links. I know that Hawaii has a salty environment so I would suggest more frequent chain maintenance. Perhaps corrosion has something to do with the failure of the clips as well? I would make it a point to lubricate these points more often.
 
#12 ·
Those are common E clips and readily available.

Be advised that there is a correct way to install them.

If you look carefully at the clip edges you'll see a sharp edge on one side and a rounded edge on the other side.

The sharp edge goes towards the outside.
 
#22 ·
Interesting - I've always fitted e-clips, washers and similar stamped items with the rounded edge on the outside - and I've never noticed in service manuals etc, instructions that such items should be fitted with the sharp edge on the outside - but thinking about it, any longitudinal thrust on the pin or whatever that's held in by an e-clip should be taken up by the 'clean' sharp side of the clip - I guess that's the reason ....
 
#13 ·
Thank you all for the input - HUGELY helpful. I am not sure how the "Circlip, Ext 8 x 0.89" translates to imperial/US sizing for the common/generic E clips. I suppose I'll just have to see if I can CAREFULLY pry one off of the passenger foot rest E clips and head over to Home Depot, Lowes, or City Mill (here on Oahu, Hawaii there are no Harbor Freight stores) and try to eyeball-compare what they've got.
 
#14 · (Edited)
The size isn't that critical. You can easily pry off a remaining clip take it to any home supply or hardware store and find a clip that is close in size. Buy a few sizes and use the one that "pops" onto the shaft with authority.

Remember that the sharp edge of the clip faces OUT.

Needn't be too tight and the correct fit clip will usually rotate on the shaft with finger pressure.
 
#17 ·
I have ’22 Speedie that I bought new earlier this year. Mine had several loose bolts: lower cowl (came free while riding!!), side panel, bar end, and a couple of other ones I forget. Now I regularly give it the once-over for loose bolts every couple of weeks.
It is a Triumph...
 
#23 ·
Seems like bad design that a pretty crucial part (footrest) should be held in place by a circlip (e-clip) - a stone chip thrown up off the road surface could theoretically dislodge it. Even my shitty Chinese Lifan dirt bike has split pins (cotter pins) holding the footrests on ..... I don't know if my America has e-clips holding the footrest pins on (can't check at the moment because I'm on a different continent) but as soon as I get home, if it has e-clips, I'll drill the footrest pins and fit split pins ....
 
#29 ·
:) those clips are not load bearing. They just keep the pins from vibrating out.