[Traveller]

@KADUTZ , @Ashman, @oldgoldie
What I have always wondered is, if an area is a gun free zone/city/state/country why do the police need to carry guns? I mean there is really no need for them to have one since no one else does.

 

[Ashman]

@KADUTZ , @Ashman, @oldgoldie
What I have always wondered is, if an area is a gun free zone/city/state/country why do the police need to carry guns? I mean there is really no need for them to have one since no one else does.

We still have our criminals and bad guys the same as the rest of the world just not as bad, but there has been a few police killings of late when some have come at them with knives but the police training is trained to kill not mame and not so long ago a police officer tazzered a elderly lady in a nursing home she was in her walker frame with a knife in her hand and confronted him at a snail pace, she died a week later and the officer has been sacked and on charges, she never regain concise from being zapped, undue force and it happens everywhere.

Ashley

 

[Traveller]

We still have our criminals and bad guys the same as the rest of the world just not as bad, but there has been a few police killings of late when some have come at them with knives but the police training is trained to kill not mame and not so long ago a police officer tazzered a elderly lady in a nursing home she was in her walker frame with a knife in her hand and confronted him at a snail pace, she died a week later and the officer has been sacked and on charges, she never regain concise from being zapped, undue force and it happens everywhere.

Ashley

So this proves the point that police shouldn't carry guns in a gun free country. There is no need. Tazers should go away too, no need for them, the police should just talk to people and defuse the situation. Cops should stat Resilience training or take Psychology classes to better deal with criminals instead of training in violent methods.

 

[Sikesp]

This is a Compass thread, right? I know I screwed up and made a comment off subject, but I would hope this thread too goes back to what it supposed to be. Maybe start another thread with the other subject if you like.

 

[jimmymc]

If everyone's moral compass pointed North, there would be no need for Cops to carry firearms, tasers or even baton or cuffs, but lots of times folks moral compass spin around and around.....there back on topic 😀

 

[2011america]

I don't mind getting lost on my bikes

The idea of beautiful scenery, freedom, unbridled exploration of unknown spaces on our steel horses.... all very 'romantic' in the sense of like, exploring the old west.

However, being lost at night due to a wrong turn out in the country, in the rain, low on gas well, I dunno, that could end up badly.
I like having a tom-tom with picture of the road.
Only as a last resort would a compass (a lighted compass?) help ME, as the country road turned in 3 out of 4 cardinal directions.
I'm no Grizlzly Adams.

I like to know, for example, that I am headed out into a desert rather than finding myself out in the desert!
They cost like $400 or so, but they actually give me the freedom to explore.
And they are built to take the water and cold and heat and vibration and use satellites not cell towers.

 

[Ashman]

Even when I am lost while exploring I still have some idea where I am, but I do have maps on my phone that is always in my pocket if I have the towers, but as I say always have an idea where I am.

 

[Traveller]

With google maps you can download maps of any given area and your map app will still work without cell reception. The phone will just use GPS to place you on the map. But using it this way you will not get traffic updates or any other features, except turn by turn navigation. You just need to make sure you download the entire map of the area you are riding in before you head out. It also saves your data usage if you are on a limited plan.

 

[2011america]

But using it this way you will not get traffic updates or any other features, except turn by turn navigation.

This may sound overly dramatic, but it is true.
Coming home on the back roads (guided by Mr. Tom) from Atlanta to Emerald Isle at night I was caught in the rain.
There were a gazillion turns that I never would have known without it, and I would probably still be out there without electronic map displayed.
I could trust a weatherproof TOM TOM prominently displaying roads and turns on my handlebars.
Some of the roads I was on were on top of a berm with like an 18" shoulder and a ten foot drop on either side.
There was nowhere to 1/2 way safely pull over in the dark and the rain to whip out my smartphone.
A compass alone would have been useless, unless I ran out oof gas maybe, and wanted to walk toward the northeast, through fields and private property, at night, without any weapons.

 

[Traveller]

This may sound overly dramatic, but it is true.
Coming home on the back roads (guided by Mr. Tom) from Atlanta to Emerald Isle at night I was caught in the rain.
There were a gazillion turns that I never would have known without it, and I would probably still be out there without electronic map displayed.
I could trust a weatherproof TOM TOM prominently displaying roads and turns on my handlebars.
Some of the roads I was on were on top of a berm with like an 18" shoulder and a ten foot drop on either side.
There was nowhere to 1/2 way safely pull over in the dark and the rain to whip out my smartphone.
A compass alone would have been useless, unless I ran out oof gas maybe, and wanted to walk toward the northeast, through fields and private property, at night, without any weapons.

It is all part of the PACE plan. Primary, Alternate, Contingency, Emergency.

You're in the middle of nowhere and your TomTom is ripped from your handlebars by a Bald Eagle, you have no cell reception and the zombies are coming after you. What do you do now?

 

[rick601]

It is all part of the PACE plan. Primary, Alternate, Contingency, Emergency.

You're in the middle of nowhere and your TomTom is ripped from your handlebars by a Bald Eagle, you have no cell reception and the zombies are coming after you. What do you do now?

shoot the Eagle...unless you live in Australia, then you are fawked

 

[KADUTZ]

@2011america

Seriously not being anyway, I think your trip using the faster route was about 7 1/2 hours / 500 miles, just wondering why you took the back roads at night.

K

It is all part of the PACE plan. Primary, Alternate, Contingency, Emergency.

You're in the middle of nowhere and your TomTom is ripped from your handlebars by a Bald Eagle, you have no cell reception and the zombies are coming after you. What do you do now?

Prayers are always good.

Now if that fails you nuke the zombies.

K

shoot the Eagle...

Nope can't do that they're a protected animal.

K

 

[2011america]

It is all part of the PACE plan.

I guess, find a place then...
P plea
A at
C country
E estate

after such a rocky horror on the road... this place might help..

 

[Auirom]

Yeah, well in the summer months, the sun is so high in the sky between about 11:00AM and 1:00PM that I have a hard time judging direction by it. And the watch, well it only tells me I'm late. I can always pull out my iPone and check its GPS compass. I just thought having one right there in front of me would be easier. Oh well.

If you really wanted one you could read while riding I would assume a digital compass would work best. They are quite pricey though.

 

[Traveller]

Just because of this conversation I broke out my old Army Suunto wrist compass and tried it wile on the bike. It works fine if worn on my wrist so I tried it on different parts of the bike. Centered on the bars it did nothing but if I put it around the turn signal it worked fine.

Amazon.com: SUUNTO M-9 Wrist Compass, Northern Hemisphere, Multifunctional Compass with Velcro Wristband, Compact Waterproof Navigation Comapss for Hiking & Adventure, Black

Amazon.com: SUUNTO M-9 Wrist Compass, Northern Hemisphere, Multifunctional Compass with Velcro Wristband, Compact Waterproof Navigation Comapss for Hiking & Adventure, Black

www.amazon.com

 

[speedmaster2019]

I knew that name looked familiar… this is one of the two I have on my handlebars. It works well when it’s level.

SUUNTO Clipper Compass, Micro Compass Attaches to Strap, Sleeve or Map Edge Amazon.com : SUUNTO Clipper Compass, Micro Compass Attaches to Strap, Sleeve or Map Edge,Black : Sports & Outdoors