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post #1 of 59 (permalink) Old 06-18-2019, 06:21 PM Thread Starter
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X-pipe- Decision, decisions...

Hi All,

I have tried reading as much on cross pipes on this forum as well as watching various videos on Youtube but still have a nagging doubt hence thought would post a thread to draw some expert or experienced advise.

I want to install an xpipe on my 2018 T120 and need clarity on the following points:

1. The million dollar question- which xpipe should I go for? Tec and Meerkat seem popular choices on here and although the Youtube videos are, albeit limited, of good quality, I am not sure the sound reproduction would be the same as it is while listening through a computer. I am not after any performance enhancement and the xpipe for me is purely to improve the way the bike sounds. I am a bit old-school and prefer the bass-ey 'dud-dud-dud' more than the sporty grunt as heard on most D&O bikes. Which xpipe gives the closest result?

2. Dealer has quoted 150 to fit the xpipe. It is not cheap but not something I would need to save for. Given that every Youtube video religiously state how difficult changing the pipes are, should I just leave it with the trained mechanic? Or is it worth giving a try by myself? My DIY skills are amateurish but I enjoy learning new skills.

3. Dealer also suggested Freespirits xpipe over Tec and Meerkat on the basis of quality, which I believe is probably a subjective opinion; and quoted 400 for supply and installation. Any thoughts on FS?
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post #2 of 59 (permalink) Old 06-18-2019, 06:54 PM
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Sound is very subjective and what sounds good to me may not sound good to you. If you are only concerned about sound quality have you considered just changing mufflers? Most comments I have seen indicate there is little change in sound with the cat in place. I think that could vary quite a bit depending on the mufflers. I have a set of Norman Hyde mufflers made in the UK. They are very similar to the mufflers originally fitted to the bike the WC Bonnevilles try to imitate. They are shorter, tapered, and totally straight through design. Unfortunately I replaced by cat with a Motone unit at the same time I added the mufflers so I can't tell you how the change the sound by themselves. My exhaust would probably be considered too loud for many people.

I am happy with my Motone decat. If I wasn't interested in retaining the original mounting brackets, especially the heat shield that makes it look stock, I would have gone with a Meerkat. Unless you are pretty confident in your mechanical skills I would pay the dealer to install an x-pipe. That seems a reasonable fee. Changing mufflers only is quite easily done and you shouldn't have an issue doing that.

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Hi All,

I have tried reading as much on cross pipes on this forum as well as watching various videos on Youtube but still have a nagging doubt hence thought would post a thread to draw some expert or experienced advise.

I want to install an xpipe on my 2018 T120 and need clarity on the following points:

1. The million dollar question- which xpipe should I go for? Tec and Meerkat seem popular choices on here and although the Youtube videos are, albeit limited, of good quality, I am not sure the sound reproduction would be the same as it is while listening through a computer. I am not after any performance enhancement and the xpipe for me is purely to improve the way the bike sounds. I am a bit old-school and prefer the bass-ey 'dud-dud-dud' more than the sporty grunt as heard on most D&O bikes. Which xpipe gives the closest result?

2. Dealer has quoted 150 to fit the xpipe. It is not cheap but not something I would need to save for. Given that every Youtube video religiously state how difficult changing the pipes are, should I just leave it with the trained mechanic? Or is it worth giving a try by myself? My DIY skills are amateurish but I enjoy learning new skills.

3. Dealer also suggested Freespirits xpipe over Tec and Meerkat on the basis of quality, which I believe is probably a subjective opinion; and quoted 400 for supply and installation. Any thoughts on FS?
I did a lot of research on the xpipe before I decicded to go for the Meerkat as well Peter at Meerkat is only a 100 miles from me, his workmanship is outstanding, and his expipe performs the best and looks great all polished and his welding is outstanding and $300 aussie $$$, I have checked out a few expipes and to tell you the truth the quility don't come close to the Meerkat and Peter is a great person to deal with.

Its not a real hard job to install, its removing the old cat that is the hard part and loosing the bottom frame rail to get it out from under the bike, but all up about 3 hours work taking your time, hence the labour cost to get it fitted.

As for your dealer he is going to push the brand he sells, but what ever brand you choose to use will make a big improvement, you will save about 12 lbs of weight, less heat coming off the old cat and your bike will run cooler, your bike will have a throater sound to it and a bit more HP.

So go for it and do it yourself its not a hard job to do, its just time comsuming to get the old cat out because its so bulky compared to a xpipe, a xpipe will slide inbetween the frame rail and motor where the stock cat won't thats the reason the bottom rail has to be loosen off and its only a fly **** that is a problem getting the old cat out.

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Norman Hyde Togo Mufflers

Here is a picture of the Norman Hyde Togo mufflers I described above.
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When I watched the TEC x-pipe install video the TEC guy did say that it's warrantied for life. Not sure if the others are or not but FYI.
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I recommend the Meerkat. Great reputation and the product is high quality. I think the sound is the classic Triumph roar/rumble with the stock T120 mufflers. I can’t imagine my dealer charging less than 150 lbs. If you have the tools and patience you can do it yourself. Look at all of the instruction videos you can. They’re basically all the same for different brands and you can pick up some useful shortcuts.
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After looking at all the decat X pipes I went for the Motone for my 2016 Street Twin because I thought it was the best design I like the fact that it has fewer welds and how it allows for better flow by not having a partition in the center that allows the flow of gases to follow a straighter path. the way I see it the exhaust from your left cylinder goes out of your right hand muffler and your right goes out of the left. After installing it I noticed that the bike ran stronger with better exhaust sound without having to buy a set of Vance and Hines. I also did my buddys 2017 street Twin and he is very happy with it. I also like that the Motone x pipe had the brackets to bolt it to the bike and keep the heat shield. I watched the TEC decat video to make sure I knew what to do and followed their torque specs. I used a lift that I made to raise the bike to a comfortable working height. Good luck with your decat mod.
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I had a British Customs x-pipe installed before I rode my bike off the lot. Sounds pretty good even with stock pipes.

Not sure if you’ve done it yet but you might try removing he snorkel to see if the sound is too your liking.
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I mounted the Free Spirit and it sounded pretty good and a little better performance. I took it off and mounted the Meerkat and it sounded better than the Free Spirit and added bonus that it measurable better performance. I am traveling so I don't have the exact numbers.

The Free Spirit quality was good but I think the Meerkat was better. I could have put the Free Spirit back on but the Meerkat is staying on. Here is a clip of my bike accelerating with the Meerkat.

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When I went up to Peter at Meerkat I took my stock mufflers up there as I liked the stock muffler looks, Peter cut the stock baffles out and opened the mufflers up, he made new baffles the same as the old Conti pipes back in the 70s, he gave me the xpipe to fit while he worked his magic on my mufflers, 2 days later they were ready to be picked up, all up with the expipe and muffler mods $500 all up, its still quite but puts out a beautyfull sound and what a big differents it made to the performance and its under the legal sound dbs, going this was saved me a lot of money as my dealer wanted $1200 for the V&H slipon mufflers and I think mine sounds better than them.
Here in my State they are cracking down on loud exhaust systems and after market systems on bikes so if I ever get pulled over I can still say my mufflers are stock from the factory , have been pass police sound checks with a few bikes pulled over but they don't even look at mine

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