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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 04-17-2019, 06:42 AM Thread Starter
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Morning. New to the site. New to Triumph for last 6 months. Bought a 2014 Bonnie and fell in love then bought a new 2018 Bonnie and am bedding her in. Last night I stopped for a drink, went to leave and the bike just dead. turned key to proper start position. Moved start switch and engaged the start and click.

Pulled the seat and verified battery terminals tight. I work on Laboratory Equipment so am familiar with wiring harness and molex type plug connectors. Check everything around the ECM as it was moved to put the battery in the bike but all looks well. I start wondering about the engine immobilizer and keys etc etc.

Here are a few observation;

When key was removed, on the odometer trip computer LED screen I could still see the gear icon and the fact it was in Neutral and mileage being displayed very faintly. Yes, the key was removed

I had to wait for a good 5 minutes before the key in the ignition would activate the start switch

One occurrence of an audible arcing sound around the starter

Every time I tried to start the bike with the switch it would go dead, completely dead with the above anomaly of LED screen occurring.

Finally I waited till I had good juice flowing from the ignition and I simply asked someone to push start me so I could get the bike home. When I got it home the first thing I did was stop and restart several times with no issues. this morning 10 hours later same, no issues. huh. okay. I really get concerned about electrical issues that come and go.


anyone else out there experiencing anything like this? Will be taking the bike back to the dealer today so they can run diagnostics I assume. I love this bike but am a little bummed.

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Sorry that I have no diagnosis for your problems.
But can not resist the opportunity to encourage M/C designers and manufacturers to to STOP burdening their products with excessive electronic systems of dubious value. By their very nature, M/C's are a difficult operational environment to deal with.
Unfortunately, Collings experience can be the result.
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Does the battery need a good charge?
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Most likely the battery. There's a minimum voltage threshold for starting. Many threads on here.

As for the comment above about complexity, thank nanny. Not Triumph's idea.
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Most likely the battery. There's a minimum voltage threshold for starting. Many threads on here.

As for the comment above about complexity, thank nanny. Not Triumph's idea.
You're likely partially correct. Our ever present nanny state style of government insisting on ever safer vehicles. However I question if there was a government mandate for heated grips, traction control, and ride modes.
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You're likely partially correct. Our ever present nanny state style of government insisting on ever safer vehicles. However I question if there was a government mandate for heated grips, traction control, and ride modes.
Heated grips isn't rocket science. All my BMW's from 1985 on had them standard. Nice...

The bikes have to have ABS in Europe and the TC and modes come along with the ABS from the vendor.
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Sorry that I have no diagnosis for your problems.
But can not resist the opportunity to encourage M/C designers and manufacturers to to STOP burdening their products with excessive electronic systems of dubious value. By their very nature, M/C's are a difficult operational environment to deal with.
Unfortunately, Collings experience can be the result.

Or even better, test the bikes, use premium components to justify the going mad prices of the new bikes, and don’t use new buyers as guinea pigs? Plenty of bikes loaded with electronics working just fine...
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thanks all. 24hrs later update: all is well with the bike. Strange experience but I cannot reproduce it (thankfully).

I was using the kill switch to power down the bike which I will no longer do as the manual advises using the key to kill the bike and I have read on this forum that it can scramble the ECU. Lesson learned. I wonder if this was cause......

I am almost at 500miles and the machine is bedding in nicely. Gearing is very smooth now and hitting 5K on the Tach regularly; wow. Been a while since I had that much power between my legs. ;O)

battery is at nominal voltage 12.98Vdc and my Fluke was just calibrated.

I bought a Triumph because of their history. I love this machine. Peace.
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Collings, Good to hear that you have things straightened out.
But,....the kill switch might scramble the ECU ???....And I thought kill switches weren't rocket science !!!
The more the fancy electronics the more opportunity for problems, just read the forums, lads...
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Collings, Good to hear that you have things straightened out.
But,....the kill switch might scramble the ECU ???....And I thought kill switches weren't rocket science !!!
The more the fancy electronics the more opportunity for problems, just read the forums, lads...
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Amazing that the kill switch will do that, but most of the "code" writers came from the manufacturing side of things where a kill switch is an emergency stop. You have to reset the system after an e-stop, to insure what ever required the e-stop is fixed. Most plant operations required the electricians to do that rather than the operator. A lot of operators figured out it was a good way to get extra break time.

Not so good if it is a conveyor in a bakery oven, eventually those cookies catch fire if they set to long in the heat.

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