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post #1 of 63 (permalink) Old 10-11-2019, 10:52 AM Thread Starter
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go tubeless or not?

I've got a new rear tyre waiting to go on my Thruxton but I'm thinking about doing a DIY tubeless conversion at the same time using 3m tape.
Only reason is I'm worried a puncture could cause a rapid deflation with the existing setup, anybody had this happen or am I worrying about nothing?
Has anybody sealed the rims themselves with tape?
Do the standard tubeless valves fit the rim or do you need to drill the hole out?
Just noticed I can see see steel wire in a few tiny spots in the centre of the tread so I need to decide in the next couple of days
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If you can see wire your tyre is knackered get it changed NOW . Having experienced punctures with and without tubes yes a tubed tyre puncture is far more disconcerting . Last one I had was in the rear on a Supermoto when I ripped the valve out of the tube .
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There are several posts scattered about different threads about doing this. The short answer yes many people have successfully done this. Valve stems that fit the existing hole and are secured with a nut are readily available. Due to the width of the rear tire it is much easier to correctly place the tape than on a narrower front but they can be done as well. I don't know about the Thruxton but on my T120 I can't carry enough tools to fix a tube flat even if I was able to break the bead.
This is one of the more comprehensive threads about tubeless conversion https://www.triumphrat.net/water-coo...onversion.html

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There are several posts scattered about different threads about doing this. The short answer yes many people have successfully done this. Valve stems that fit the existing hole and are secured with a nut are readily available. Due to the width of the rear tire it is much easier to correctly place the tape than on a narrower front but they can be done as well. I don't know about the Thruxton but on my T120 I can't carry enough tools to fix a tube flat even if I was able to break the bead.
This is one of the more comprehensive threads about tubeless conversion https://www.triumphrat.net/water-coo...onversion.html

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Thanks for the link, I was just on my way out and being a bit lazy not searching

After reading that thread decided it's a bit too much hassle this time around as I need the tyre doing right away, also if you have to pay somebody to remove the tire as I do it's another £25 each time if it doesn't go right on top of the cost of the valve and the tape.
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After considerable research, I concluded 1) tubeless tires are inconvenient at best, since they cannot be plugged at the side of the road as can tubeless tires, 2) depending on roadside assistance may be overly optimistic, especially in areas where cell service is problematic or non-existent, 3) where you can expect help from roadside assistance, you're still going to need to be towed to a shop which can replace a punctured tube, 4) tubeless tires pose a notable risk in case of a puncture because they deflate much more rapidly than tubeless tires, which can lead to a loss of control, 5) conversion efforts using tape require particular care when changing tires, 6) the conversions may regularly lose some amount of pressure due to the challenge of making the wheel completely airtight (reports of many successful conversions notwithstanding), 7) many dealers will not undertake such conversions, and 8) there is a product, Ride-On, which purports to render even tubed tires puncture-proof, but it's difficult to find much in the way of objective testing to verify that claim; videos exists of the product working in tubeless tires, and 9) by far the best thing to do is to replace the stock wheels with purpose-built wheels intended for tubeless tires, admittedly at a price which includes new tubeless tires in addition to new wheels and the expense of having them mounted if you don't do it yourself.

As best I can tell, most people here just ride on unmodified factory wheels and hope for the best, perhaps understandably due to the considerable expense of changing out wheels and tires to more modern (and arguably safer) specification.

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As best I can tell, most people here just ride on unmodified factory wheels and hope for the best...
Or they might just ride on unmodified wheels with tube type tires based on the millions of miles riders have put on tubed tires who never have experienced a flat.

Based on my 50+ years of riding I concluded that if one buys quality tires, maintains them properly, doesn't try to squeeze that last 500 miles or so out of the tires, and pays attention to where they ride the odds of a flat are mitigated.

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Or they might just ride on unmodified wheels with tube type tires based on the millions of miles riders have put on tubed tires who never have experienced a flat.

Based on my 50+ years of riding I concluded that if one buys quality tires, maintains them properly, doesn't try to squeeze that last 500 miles or so out of the tires, and pays attention to where they ride the odds of a flat are mitigated.

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You can apply the same logic to riding without ABS and traction control. Nobody needs their benefits. Until they do.
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You can apply the same logic to riding without ABS and traction control. Nobody needs their benefits. Until they do.
If you need 'em or want 'em then they are there for you.

Curious how so many survived so long without ABS and traction control?

ABS, traction control, and the like has been around motorcycling for seconds compared to the decades and decades and decades so many have ridden without them and lived to tell the tale.

Rather than rely on tech to overcome one's ego I subscribe to the Clint Eastwood axioms... "a mans got to know his limitations" and "do you feel lucky?".

Both have served many riders well from before helmets were common.
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Started riding when ABS was just entering the market on the higher end bike....BMW etc. Returning to biking and buying my 2013 Thruxton many years later, I had assumed ABS would be standard. I was wrong!

Yes, I wish I had it, but continue to ride without it.

As far a tubed/tubeless goes, yes, I have experienced a tube blow. Cause was unclear, but it went near the valve stem. Very scary...almost total loss of control trying to keep it upright (it was the rear tire). Veered into the opposite lane, fortunately no oncoming traffic. So my recommendation is yes, go tubeless with the conversion as I did. I remain happy, but have not as yet experienced another puncture since installing (thank God) to contrast the two experiences.

Here is my link along with initial reaction to the new Pirelli Angel GT's

https://www.triumphrat.net/air-coole...-part-1-a.html

What ever you decide, as someone suggested, many have happily ridden zillions of miles with tubes, but from what I've read the outcome of a slower deflation can be a life saver. And a temporary plug from a nail etc will reduce the inconvenience of being stranded, to get you home.

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After considerable research, I concluded 1) tubeless tires are inconvenient at best, since they cannot be plugged at the side of the road as can tubeless tires, 2) depending on roadside assistance may be overly optimistic, especially in areas where cell service is problematic or non-existent, 3) where you can expect help from roadside assistance, you're still going to need to be towed to a shop which can replace a punctured tube, 4) tubeless tires pose a notable risk in case of a puncture because they deflate much more rapidly than tubeless tires, which can lead to a loss of control, 5) conversion efforts using tape require particular care when changing tires, 6) the conversions may regularly lose some amount of pressure due to the challenge of making the wheel completely airtight (reports of many successful conversions notwithstanding), 7) many dealers will not undertake such conversions, and 8) there is a product, Ride-On, which purports to render even tubed tires puncture-proof, but it's difficult to find much in the way of objective testing to verify that claim; videos exists of the product working in tubeless tires, and 9) by far the best thing to do is to replace the stock wheels with purpose-built wheels intended for tubeless tires, admittedly at a price which includes new tubeless tires in addition to new wheels and the expense of having them mounted if you don't do it yourself.

As best I can tell, most people here just ride on unmodified factory wheels and hope for the best, perhaps understandably due to the considerable expense of changing out wheels and tires to more modern (and arguably safer) specification.
First off reread your post, you used tubeless too many times. Second, Ride on sealant is not going to plug a tube unless you just happened to pick up a small tack as you rolled back into the garage. When your at speed and you puncture a tube 99% of the time it rips. Thus the rapid loss of air.
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