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Now What? What will Triumphs next "wow" be?

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#1 ·
I can appreciate the Daytona 675... and the new Street 675 is a natural extension of the 675 platform, as is the DS675 that we'll see soon to (just my personal theory)...

However, those of us in the 6'4" tall range look ***** silly on these sport bikes and they are just too tiny for me.. :)

Triumph is on one hell of a roll of success. They have done what would have likely been called impossible and have a modern lineup that gets accolades across the board. The Rocket was a brilliant model for many reasons, the largest production feather in the cap, not to mention a real anti-harley aspect, a powerhouse that has manners and still can wet yer undies blah blah.. .The earlier Daytona and Sp[rint got their share of success... the modern classics are selling great and people just love them... the 955 was a real long haul successful platform across the model range as is and will be the 1050... They seems to really have the best market strategy and considering the miniscule sales when compared to the megalithic best sellers of Honda and Harley, Triumph gets a lot of press!

So what's next? What thing will they do that will keep this run of "wow" going?

Once they pop out a DS675, methinks the next natural step is a Touring-Sport model. That is to say not a full Tourer, but something that will give great Two up touring performance with a sporty edge.. Would the 1050 be enough? Would it be shaft drive...

My ST is a fine bike, but lacks room and wind protection. It can tour, but it is more of a Sport bike with touring capacity.

whaddayathink?
 
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#2 ·
Na I don't think they will plumb for a sports-TOURER yet (as opposed to the sprint which is a SPORTS-tourer - but I'm preaching to the choir with you Jason...).
I reckon the next target in the 'Urban' line up will be a replacement for the Daytona 955. Since they've pretty much set themselves up to decimate the Ducati market with the new Tiger and StreetTriple, why not go for broke and make a 1098 killer... :) Seems a logical step IMO.
 
#4 ·
> Triumph will, supposedly, debut a 1500cc/1600cc parallel twin...

Dunno who keeps "supposing" that, but Triumph continue to insist they aren't going to do any such thing. And frankly, I hope not.

A parallel twin of that displacement would be enormously wide, heavy, ugly, and (unless all reciprocating parts are made of some really light alloy of unobtainium) would require such massive counterbalancing that it would take all day for the thing to rev. No thanks.
 
#5 ·
I'd like them to make a 675 equivalvent of the tiger. I really like the agressiveness of both the S3 and new Street3, but I'd need a more versatile bike...
 
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#6 ·
Maybe if we all yell LITRE BIKE loud enough, Triumph will let us know what the heck they are up to in that department. I hope not just another 1050 "something or other" but a new engine along the lines of the 675 but not so puny in the pony department. Great bike but I need more zip. Love my 955 and new 999s but a new litre bike from Triumph would be real sweet! And a 675 Tiger would be nice, too! The 955's are pretty top heavy as is and something more along the lines of a KLR650 would be a hot ticket, I would think? I haven't ridden the new 1050 model but can't imagine it being too good "off-road".

[ This message was edited by: hogrocket on 2007-06-03 02:27 ]
 
#7 ·
There is something going on in the Engine Department that Stuart Woods team are aiming at the Sports side litre large displacement.
My understanding is that they are bench testing a V-Three format engine in the 'litre' area of capacity. It's designed to be very narrow, given a 15o ish forward lean angle giving a neat slipperclutch, gear cassette, pumps etc packaging.

I believe this will be the basis of a new triple that will be almost as narrow as a V-Twin but with three cylinder benefits of revs, smoothness and torque. The V-Three mechanically should also provide a higher rev-ceiling than a in-line three.

If it makes it into a 165BHp Litre bike with the litheness of a 675 it would be absolutely awesome.

[ This message was edited by: Wildpig on 2007-06-03 05:34 ]
 
#8 ·
If anyone at Triumph is listening.........

I want a motorcycle with the oomph of the 1050 speed triple & all the modern goodies like fuel injection, inverted forks & dual floating rotors, but with a more classic styled fuel tank & front fender.

I think the shape/size of the tank used on the discontinued Thunderbird/Legend is pure perfection. Keep the other cassic touches like banana seats, full fenders & air cooling for other models. (also keep height/weight for other models)

As long as we're talking about my dream-bike here, I'd like also like fat tires and a 3 into 1 exhaust with a wicked deep growl.


Take a lesson from Harley (did I just say that? gasp!) Study what those who have modified your motorcycles have done. What did most of them want to change? What did they want to keep? What are people asking for and more importantly......will they actually pay the asking price if you build it?

I'd pay up to 10 grand for the bike described above without question. Any more and I'd have to think about it.

If you build the above and put a tractor-looking, mini-Rocket III engine in it, I will beat you with a stick.


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#9 ·
> I want a motorcycle with the oomph of the 1050 speed triple & all the modern goodies like fuel injection, inverted forks & dual floating rotors, but with a more classic styled fuel tank & front fender.
I think the shape/size of the tank used on the discontinued Thunderbird/Legend is pure perfection.


Gotta agree with you totally, BM. That would be a sweet bike...best of both worlds, and all that.
 
#11 ·
Next Wow in the works.

Two capacity versions of a V3 at Triumphs Skunkworks..

V3 975cc producing 172Bhp at 10,800 rpm (max tested rpm ceiling 14500)

V3 1075 producing 187Bhp at 10,375 rpm) (max tested rpm ceiling 13750)




[ This message was edited by: Wildpig on 2007-06-27 10:08 ]
 
#12 ·
This came straight from Triumph of Daytona Beach rep who was recently at an exclusive dealer preview. Totally hearsay I suppose but here goes...
Coming this fall...
A totally redone Rocket 3 with body work and new suspension. Direct competition for the Gold Wing ; ST1300 ; BMW LT & GT among others. The "Mack Daddy" sports-tourer.
He said "just think of a Moto Guzzi Norge on steroids."

Coming for 2009...
Parallel twin cruiser with displacement in the 1300-1400 range. Style will be like America or Speedmaster probably because Triumph is using a lot of input from US dealers and design teams. This was also printed in June issue of Cycle World magazine.

[ This message was edited by: keo1050 on 2007-06-29 15:33 ]
 
#13 ·
I can believe a touring-cruiser Rocket. It's something that's been long anticipated, too.

A lardbutt parallel twin, though...that'd be an engineering headache, needlessly bulky in the parallel configuration, and IMO downright silly looking, too. But who knows? Triumph are a crafty bunch.

Wildpig's V3 is an intriguing idea, but even more of an engineering nightmare. Everything Triumph has achieved so far in the way of smoothing the vibration and roll of a triple goes out the window once you shift the cylinders out of the same plane. Three separate sets of cams and valves, too--kind of awkward, to say the least. Firing sequence and timing? I can't begin to understand the math. I've trusted Triumph's engineering prowess enough to buy several first-year models on faith, but I'd probably have to wait two or three years before I'd consider something of this sort if it is ever introduced.
 
#15 ·
On 2007-06-14 11:37, Will wrote:
How 'bout a motard based on a 675 motor and frame, but with the headstock extended to get a lot more steering lock?
You're on the right track...

But how about developing a killer single cyclinder platform - and putting it in a non retro sporting chasis... a British SuperMono.

I'd love to see a single cylinder liquid cooled bike that could be raced in lightweight classes against SV650s.

...and a supermoto follow-on.
 
#16 ·
A massively powerful liter triple would be interesting. I am with John in wondering how it would work, but I don't put much of anything past Triumph. They seem to have the deepest, darkest, most diabolical skunk works on the planet these days.
 
#17 ·
I like the idea of the big twins. The current twins are classic but they can't compete with the BMW verical twins for all around usefulnees. I big modern twin in an aluminum alloy frame could go lots of different directions - standard, supermotard, touring or a little of each. Style it like the Thunderbird. Or better yet the Thunderbird Sport The BMW twins are not just vulnerable to something with better style they have a target painted on them. Offer some really good accessories that feature function as well as style and you have got yourself another whole new niche.



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#18 ·
All a bunch of interesting replies

...a double V engine??? I think the engineering is whacked on that Idea... nice toss on that one, to bad no one took the bait... :D

I think the DS is a cinch ...

The touring Rocket ina natural too...


I think they'll bring out a Trophy soon... IE a replacement of sorts...


good chatter,,, anyone else?
 
#19 ·
How about just turning the Scrambler into a real Scrambler? Give it more power (Thruxton motor?), longer travel adjustable suspension, higher front fender, maybe a slightly larger version of existing gas tank, and contract Hepco-Becker to make the luggage.
Base price it for $8995 and carve your own niche out of the Adventure Touring market all the pundits say is going to be hot for the next ten years.
I can't believe that wouldn't sell.
 
#21 ·
On 2007-07-13 14:20, Scrambler900 wrote:
The next big announcement from Triumph will be a 1,500 cc twin, water cooled and with fuel injection, styled in the manner of the America or Speed Master. Further insiders rumors say the name of this bike with be the Thunderbird.
If this is true... think about the development costs Triumph has been chewing up to put out its' current lineup. The 955/1050 has been mostly paid for, I'd assume, but the Rocket devlep and tooling wasn't cheap, the 675 engine was under the works for a few years, and if the 1500V is around the corner, they have been pouring R&D $$ into that as well..... it'd be a hoot to see their internal P&L and balance sheets. I think it is quite a show to see a mfg with less than 1% of the global market getting top honors and accolades and consistently doesn't disappoint. It must drive the suits at larger companies a bit nuts to see the little guy sucking an inordinate share of attention... :D
 
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