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post #11 of 25 (permalink) Old 09-17-2019, 09:15 AM
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Its redneck engineering but I put mine in gear (actually couldn't get it out of first) and put a nail in the back brake disc with a block of wood against the caliper.

The above works for off but for on I used a pry bar through the sprocket.
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Its redneck engineering but I put mine in gear (actually couldn't get it out of first) and put a nail in the back brake disc with a block of wood against the caliper.

The above works for off but for on I used a pry bar through the sprocket.
That's a great idea if you've got spoke wheels and you're really stuck, never thought of using the the rear brake disc, probably would have been even easier if you could have got it into 6th gear, less torque on the back wheel.

When you say you use the pry bar to tighten, do you mean between the chain and the sprocket?
Wouldn't the rear brake method work just as well to tighten against the other side of the caliper?
Nothing wrong with a bit of redneck engineering, whatever gets the job done, as long as it doesn't cause any damage in the process.
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My 2012 800 XC just had this shift lever problem. I was on a trip, I can upshift fine. To downshift. I lift the lever up slightly, then it downshifts fine. Ir have ridden about 600 miles this way. Today, I will work on it to see what is wrong.

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My son's 2012 Tiger is having similar problem. It will shift UP, but not DOWN, so hoping to find out the part(s) needed, not just replace the whole shift rod mechanism as some have said the dealer did, doesn't seem necessary.

I've already had it apart and put it back together. It was stuck in 6th but I removed the Detent Arm Spring and by hand easily turned the Gear Selector Drum down to neutral and first. I put it back together, sat on the bike and started it and shifted it back up through the gears to 6th, normal feel and shifting, but then would not shift down.

I suspect the Pivot Plate (photo of similar in post #4 of this thread). Is that what does the grunt work of turning the Detent Wheel for shifting? If this is the case would only one of the Pivot Plate's spikes be worn since it switches up okay?

The posts on the Pivot Plate looked okay from behind, but looking at the wear in post #4 I wouldn't have seen the wear area from the back, since I didn't remove the plate, just looked at it from the sides. Didn't have my C-Clamp removal tool with me.

https://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts...6653#sch917968

I went in suspecting the pin was bent or broken off as has happened with many others, but it looked good. This bike is outside the VIN range of the spring replacement. My 2011 was in the range and had it done years ago.

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My son's 2012 Tiger is having similar problem. It will shift UP, but not DOWN, so hoping to find out the part(s) needed, not just replace the whole shift rod mechanism as some have said the dealer did, doesn't seem necessary.

I've already had it apart and put it back together. It was stuck in 6th but I removed the Detent Arm Spring and by hand easily turned the Gear Selector Drum down to neutral and first. I put it back together, sat on the bike and started it and shifted it back up through the gears to 6th, normal feel and shifting, but then would not shift down.

I suspect the Pivot Plate (photo of similar in post #4 of this thread). Is that what does the grunt work of turning the Detent Wheel for shifting? If this is the case would only one of the Pivot Plate's spikes be worn since it switches up okay?

The posts on the Pivot Plate looked okay from behind, but looking at the wear in post #4 I wouldn't have seen the wear area from the back, since I didn't remove the plate, just looked at it from the sides. Didn't have my C-Clamp removal tool with me.

https://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts...6653#sch917968

I went in suspecting the pin was bent or broken off as has happened with many others, but it looked good. This bike is outside the VIN range of the spring replacement. My 2011 was in the range and had it done years ago.

Pivet Post #13 / Detent Wheel #5
If it will change up but not down or vice versa it's almost certainly the shift plate or less likely the detent wheel. You've obviously seen the pictures I posted earlier in this thread, if you have similar wear on the shift plate then it needs replacing, if you had tried moving the gear lever by hand while watching the mechanism you would have seen it slipping off the detent wheel.
Yes this part can be replaced on its own, it's only if the pin breaks you need to replace the complete gear change shaft, in this instance it's not the triumph dealer trying to rip you off, the pin is not repairable unless you know a really good welder.
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Just found in my case the parts needed for the not shifting down problem comes as a kit containing the Detent Wheel and Pivot Plate. According to some an improved version. Attached screenshot of the kit some posted in another forum.

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My 2012 800 XC just had this shift lever problem. I was on a trip, I can upshift fine. To downshift. I lift the lever up slightly, then it downshifts fine. Ir have ridden about 600 miles this way. Today, I will work on it to see what is wrong.
The pin in mine is broken. New parts ordered,

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Just found in my case the parts needed for the not shifting down problem comes as a kit containing the Detent Wheel and Pivot Plate. According to some an improved version. Attached screenshot of the kit some posted in another forum.

P/N T1194905

Bike Bandit is where I get OEM parts (I'm in the US). Don't have a nearby dealer.
Triumph have obviously recognised a weakness in that part of the mechanism, definitely worth changing both parts then if they are updated items otherwise the same fault just reoccurs again.
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The pin in mine is broken. New parts ordered,
Bad luck, hope you found the pin ok, mine was still jammed between the arms of the spring.
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For some reason, all of the Yay Area Triumph dealers had a two-week wait on clutch cover gaskets. Finally got mine this week, finished taking apart the clutch, aaaaand... yep. Broken pin on the gear shift mechanism. Swapped washers, new spring, insert, and good to go, right?

Wrong! Apparently, you can get a PhD in clutch basket installation. I've watched videos and read forum threads to no avail. How the hell do I install this thing?!
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