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post #81 of 120 (permalink) Old 01-27-2012, 12:35 AM
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I'm not even saying I would throw Harley in the mix when shopping. I was simply pointing out that depone's logic was flawed. ;-)
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Not everyone who buys a Harley buys it because they want to conform. I'm sure there are plenty of guys who compare features, mechanical specs, and price, and choose a Harley because they perceive it to be the best value for their hard earned money. Then their judgement is flawed, in my opinion. The performance, handling and overall technology is unquestionably superior in the Triumph. Harley has the upper hand in finish quality and resale value. You can argue that if you like, but I think you'd have a hard time getting as many people to agree with you as I could with my opinion unless you were at a HOG meeting.

On the other hand you have stated that you don't want to ride a Harley because you don't want to ride a conformist bike. So if you truly do go for what you perceive to be the best value, highest quality and best performing bike for the money as you have stated, then don't you have to include Harley Davidson when you are shopping? To exclude them simply on the basis of being conformist seems to me to be no better than a Harley guy who buys only Harley because he must conform. No, I don't have to include Harley. The only engine they make I would even consider is in the V Rod. The engine is great but I don't want my feet reaching straight out for the pegs while I'm leaning as far forward as I can and reaching for the handlebars. My exclusion is not based solely on being conformist or not. First is performance, quality, technology and value and as an added bonus I'm not riding the same thing most everyone in this area rides.

They want and enjoy Harleys, they should ride and enjoy them. I don't question their choice at all. I just disagree with it, which I hope you would grant me the right to do. I appreciate their bikes and all that they have put into them. It's just not my type of bike. You can disagree with me all you like, but my "logic" is not flawed. It is opinion and I wonder why that offends you so much?
Oops, I guess I can't send a message like that. I have to add these words after the quote, so here they are.
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depone, I am neither offended by your opinions, or in disagreement with you that the Thunderbird is the better bike. Afterall I own one as well.
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Well, just wanted to check back in and thank everyone for their opinions/feelings/experiences relative to my "Triumph vs Victory" thread. It was a REALLY tough decision...but I ended up going with the Victory Kingpin. Much went into my decision...but in the end, it really came down to "price", trade-in value, and dealer experience. The "rides" were both great, and I think I would have been happy with either. Now, I guess I need some extra clients and a bigger garage...so I can eventually add a T-bird to the "stable". Thanks, again! Safe riding!
Have fun with the new ride! I met a guy the otherday who has a kingpin and he is very happy with it and hasnt had any issues at all. SO I am hopefull you have the same!
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Hey Paul, I see you're from Pine Grove. Lots of great riding out that way - Gold Mine Road, PA 125, the list goes on & on. We ride through there often on our way south on 78 & 81.

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depone, I am neither offended by your opinions, or in disagreement with you that the Thunderbird is the better bike. Afterall I own one as well.
I guess I misinterpreted. Sorry.
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Hey Paul, I see you're from Pine Grove. Lots of great riding out that way - Gold Mine Road, PA 125, the list goes on & on. We ride through there often on our way south on 78 & 81.

Yes we do have some good rideing. Next time your passing threw let me know maybe we can do some rideing?
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Tough Choices

Good reviews, I have a Speedmaster, which I like but looking for something a bit bigger, so in a similar situation.

Looking at the T-Bird, Victory Highball & HD Street Bob, so was also interested in those who had came from those bikes or were / had gone to them, quite a few twisties where I live so was interested to hear that the victory handled better. Doing the obvious test rides though, BUT.

There is only one victory dealer in NZ and they are an 8 hour drive away, so need to wait a while till I get up there. Also there are not that many used Victory highballs here so may be a long wait for one to come along as buying a new bike in NZ is a lot of $$$.


NZ price of new Highball - $22,226 USD (used $16,500 USD)
NZ price of new T-Bird 1600cc ABS Two-tone - $19,925 USD (used $16,500 USD, 2 yo)
NZ price of new Street Bob - $20,173 USD (used $16,500 USD, 2 yo)

so think youselves lucky that you are in a bigger market.

Have the triumph in my blood (and its an easier trade- in, which is tempting and there is a used Triumph coming in to the shop next week) but I really like the form of the softail highball – why can’t triumph do a low slung bobber with some lines like that? There frames used to be rigid back in the day


Had a test ride on a Street Bob and have to say I was a bit under whelmed, it didn’t give me the big grin factor that I thought, but it was raining so handling wouldn’t have been as good as normal?

In the end it really has to come down to handling and reliability
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hey bignoseG I also had a speed master and now I own a Tbird and a Victory 8 ball. here is what i can say:
ride the Tbird and ride the Hball. right away youll find the TBird to be more stable, smoother and a lot more responsive due to better suspension,smoother transmission and its better balanced. The Hball was made for easy cruising short trips, she was meant to be a solo naked bike, that means no bags no windshield and no passenger,but great attitude; you will smile a lot more.
The Tbird looks good naked and it looks good dressed up. I ride in Northern Cali with my wife, with a fully loaded bike, in twisty roads only sport bikes love to be and let me tell you she rides great.
The bird is heavier and way more expensive to maintain. for example every 12000 miles you have to have a" big tune-up" that requires adjusting the valves, tires are more expensive etc.
Victory bikes are made very basic, very easy to maintain, for me its been four times cheaper than my bird. parts are made in the USA so no waiting 3 weeks for it.( I guess that doesnt help you much)
But anybody can work on your vic. that is not true for the T bird.
I love my 8 ball,looks great, sounds great and its very ergonomic. It feels like the speed master only 1700cc. lower to the ground, more responsive, good for distance(solo) and great in the twist.(less clearance :-( ) sorry to all the HD lovers but for now HD bikes are not for me.
ride safe...
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No, I don't have to include Harley. The only engine they make I would even consider is in the V Rod. The engine is great but I don't want my feet reaching straight out for the pegs while I'm leaning as far forward as I can and reaching for the handlebars. My exclusion is not based solely on being conformist or not. First is performance, quality, technology and value and as an added bonus I'm not riding the same thing most everyone in this area rides.
Not to be pedantic, but... oh, let's face it, I'm being pedantic...

Basically, you have included Harley in your consideration. You state that you would consider the V-Rod. The fact that you have discounted it for other reasons very quickly does not diminish the fact that you have included Harley in your consideration.

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