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post #61 of 71 (permalink) Old 01-02-2012, 06:47 PM
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HA! They said that about the cost of adding the Turbo Encabulator and now they are everywhere....
ROFL!!!! Awesome!

What if there were no hypothetical questions?
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post #62 of 71 (permalink) Old 01-02-2012, 07:29 PM
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Hey sgl... I'm glad you're alright. Were the roads wet or dry when it happened?
Roads were dry. One thing that really helped was that the trees didn't have any leaves so I could see the deer coming a little earlier than if it was summertime. That really helped to spot the second and third deer.
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Originally Posted by engage View Post
Agreed, but as the demand increases, at some point it becomes cheaper for the manufacturer to fit all bikes, or all bike of a certain model, with ABS.
+1 All kidding aside....this argument is made with all automotive safety equipment, seat belts, safety glass, head rests, air bags, disc brakes, power assisted brakes, active suspension and steel belted radial tires. People resist the change but the economies of scale with fitting all vehicles cuts the cost dramatically.

Motorcycles are really no different.
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Quick answer YES! ABS on my Sprint saved my life this past summer.We (wife on the back) hit a Moose in Nova Scotia.If it wasn't for the ABS ,I might not be sending this message.Never had to use it before but sure glad the Triumph came with the option.
Any new bike I buy will have ABS.
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If you don't have time to react,abs won't help.

I'm 67.... 17,when rideing :)
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post #66 of 71 (permalink) Old 01-02-2012, 09:58 PM
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Hi guys. Visiting from the Sport side of the forum. I read (almost) every word on this thread, and just to throw my 2 cents in:

ABS should never be and never was meant to replace practiced safe stopping habits. It should be viewed as a safety net, there to catch you when you fall.

I do not have ABS on my bikes. Wanted it but no bikes w/ABS were available locally when I bought the Sprint.

The cost wasn't/isn't an issue. If I used ABS just ONE time during a "situation" it just saved me 3x its cost.

As far as mandating ABS. Seriously? Don't we have the Government in enough of our business already. Make your own choices, and take your lumps when your wrong.

OK. I will step down from my soapbox now. Carry on.

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Originally Posted by robsalvv View Post
Thanks Gents, however my articulation lacked quite a bit on a second reading. Oh well.

The rider went for the rear - why didn't the rider brake with the front brake? Lack of skill seems to be the only answer to my mind. The rider's lack of skill and lack of riding awareness was the root cause for the crash, not a lack of ABS.
Years and years ago the "loud pipes save lives/ helmets are dangerous" crew decided that front brakes are too dangerous because thats the the tire you turn with. As proof, they would point to flat trackers which have no front brake. Then custom choppers were all the rage with the front brake that wouldn't stop a schwinn stingray.

So its no surprise this moron stomped on the rear and dumped it. the shame is that as much as i flog harleys, they actually brake really well. they are heavy, with a long wheelbase, and have excellent japanese front brakes.

I don't want ABS as it just ads more complexity to the machine. I look for an out on a hard braking, and several times have slid upright behind the moron who pulled out in front of me. to that end,i practice panic stops regularly.
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the shame is that as much as i flog harleys, they actually brake really well.
Not the ones that I have owned...very poor braking on my 2006 Dyna.
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Where ABS shines is on wet pavement and through patches of standing water on the road. You can stop very effectively and keep the bike vertical under those conditions. That said, you cannot be protected from stupid just because you have ABS brakes. I put on and broke in the Michelin Commander 2 200/55/17 V-78 tire on the TBird 1600, and it has as good or better wet pavement performance than the Metzeler or the Avon Storm 2 Ultra. The treads on the Michelin Commander 2 are deeper, and aggressively channel water out the sides. That tire, plus the ABS gives me a little better chance of a stop with a good outcome in an emergency situation. ABS does not help you much at all on small gravel or sand, but you can grab a handful of both rear and front brake when and if you need to, and enjoy a nice, fast, still vertical stop. ABS was not an option on my bike, it was included, but if I had only one option on a new bike, it would be ABS brakes.
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i have went out practicing panic stops,if it has gone into abs mode i cant tell the difference,stops on a dime everytime,even hear a slight squeach of tires but never feel any pulsing like a car would,even in the rain you feel real secure dont even slide around much
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