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post #11 of 71 (permalink) Old 11-11-2011, 05:23 PM
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One of the reasons I went for the T-Bird over the Speedmaster/ America was for the ABS.

One panic stop on a wet road one day will more than pay for itself.

I'm old enough to realize that i don't have the riding skills of Casey Stoner so I'm glad to have it.

ABS is becoming more popular all the time, in ten years it will be hard to buy a new bike without it.

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In my experience, ABS has the edge, especially on wet pavement. It can keep you from accidentally locking up the rear brake, and gives you a better chance of stopping while still vertical. Does not do a lot on dirt or loose gravel. If I could chose exactly one option on a bike from now on, it will be ABS brakes. I have ridden a lot of years without them, and some older bikes with only a rear wheel brake, and now one equipped with ABS. ABS does not cure stupid driving, but it will help you on panic stops, stops on wet or flooded pavement and even for that, is, in my opinion, sufficient to add ABS to the top of your list. Louder pipes, comfy seats, radios and SIRIUS are great, but stopping your bike under bad conditions is perhaps more important to me.
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Just my 2 cents i had in my valkyrie interstate loved it, i have a rocket 3t and wish i had it! on a big heavy bike it makes it more controlable,i miss it........sandman
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I got the ABS because the bike that was available at the time had it. But, my dealer did say that 3-5 years from now if I decide to sell the bike that by then most buyers will prefer an ABS bike. So, it will help resale. Who knows?
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I have to say Iím really impressed with the quality of argument both for and against ABS in this thread - particularly Draegerís excellent post which goes contrary to my advice but with which I have a great amount of sympathy and largely agree.

I also ride a Honda ST1100 Pan European with a very sophisticated (ABS, linked and assisted) braking system. On a wet motorway in driving rain itís reassuring to know itís there, but it does involve putting a lot of trust in Hondaís technology. 30 years of riding experience means my natural tendency is like Draegerís - in fact I think weíve got much the same riding philosophy - but itís still nice to know itís there even if I donít depend on it.
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Threads like these are what makes this a great forum. Thoughtful, reasoned, balanced discussions between experienced riders who want to contribute their oppinions so others can make informed decisions. Thanks guys - great postings.

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Engage is right. You always want to slow down as much as possible even if you can't avoid a collision, and anti-lock brakes can help achieve that. Once a wheel locks your stopping distance will increase. Also laying your bike down as paulfun suggests is never a good idea no matter what the scenario is. Laying the bike down will also increase your stopping distance.
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Engage is right. You always want to slow down as much as possible even if you can't avoid a collision, and anti-lock brakes can help achieve that. Once a wheel locks your stopping distance will increase. Also laying your bike down as paulfun suggests is never a good idea no matter what the scenario is. Laying the bike down will also increase your stopping distance.
How many accidents have you personally been involved in?
Every accident isnt by the book and the so called experts have proven themselves wrong before.

Now think about this- Stopping didtance is stopping distance. When you have it you can stop without impact correct, when you dont have enuff stopping distance you are gonna hit something one way or the other correct. So laying the bike down and hitting it in a differtent manner or laying it down and hitting something else like a gaurd rail or a retainer can also become a viable solution but in many cases you will stand a better chance of less to no injury by being behind the bike.

I have laid my bike down purpously on two occaisions in order to avoid doing more damage both physical to the other driver as well as myself and the vehicles involved. Both times I was able to simply get up and walk away and so were the other drivers.

My cousin is living with brain damage because a rider that should have laid his bike down didnt! The bike went into the cockpit of the car and messed him up bad. Looking at the accident the rider would have probably lived also, if he wasnt entangled with the Caddy by staying on the bike!

THe night I hit the brakes on the thunderbird the bike ended up in the intersection right in harms way! If I was on my kawasaki it would have been on the ground with me standing right outside of the intersection but both would have been out of harms way!!

Most people seem to rely heavily on the experts and what they say. I muist question what the experts decide the criteria is for thier decision? IS it in fact that "most accidents or ALL accidents" happen this way and this is what you need to do! I seriously dout it! In fact what they are telling you is that "IN our observations we have found that most accidents we investigated happen like this" Its a polaticians type solution and it does help many riders aviod injury but it does not cover all accidents or circumstances that we may encounter nor does it cover the varied ability of the different riders and their ability to make the bike do things that others cant or wont.

In my opinion Dreager has the right Idea and is very close to what I was tought by my driving instructor (My Father who also happend to be not only a professional instructor but a STate Police officer) I will quote one thing he said here "Dont rely on that technology as if it dosnt function properly or fails completely you are sure to get hurt"
This has also affected us personally and let me tell you tractor trailers will tear up a car when they connect with you!

I Personally witnessed a man have his head severed off by listening to the experts as he hit a tracktor trailor in the upright possition when in fact if he would have laid the bike down he would have went right under the truck and probably been able to walk away! Guess the experts didnt get that one right! SORRY!

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How many accidents have you personally been involved in?
I have been in 3. All back in the 70's while riding a small Yamaha. Two were where I was knocked off while stopped making a left turn. The third was head on by a drunk driver in a station wagon. Lucky for me I had all my gear on and wasn't killed. As for laying a bike down...I would never do it. But I can tell you this, when you have an accident it happens so fast all you have is your instincts to rely on. I have a difficult time believing people who say they saw the accident so they "had to lay it down". This has just been my experience.
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An expert is usually defined as someone who has a high degree of knowledge about a subject.
Sharing a personal oppinion about an experience, such as an accident, is very useful and may help others to avoid serious consequences. I would not, however, disregard outright what others have to say just because it's not consistent with my own experience.
On important matters such as safety I think it's useful to consiser and learn from as many sources as possible. There may not be "just one right answer". I've had a heart attack but don't consider myself particularly knowledgeabe about cardiology...

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