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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 10-23-2011, 12:59 AM Thread Starter
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Just read the Motorcycle.Com 4 bike review

Looks like the Thunderbird did quite well in the review. Interesting that zooming thru the twisties was a problem for 3 of the 4 bikes. The California Black Eagle paid the price for this performance in poor ergonomics.

This presents and interesting question about cruisers in general. If the demographic for cruising is low and laid back, why are people surprised that they drag pegs and footboards when a cruiser is ridden like a sport bike?

What cha' think?

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Because like myself don't think all people look at cruisers as a "laid back" ride without any consideration to performance. In fact, i doubt anyone would prefer a cruiser that does nothing well but cruise. Cruising may be the 1st consideration for some, but that doesn't mean they don't wish for more. Why wouldn't you? I, like many or all here, ride a Tbird for the very fact that it DOES corner and perform well. Just because i bought a cruiser don't mean i wasn't looking for that. So your next question will probably be, "then why didn't you buy a sportbike?" Simple....i hate them. I love the cruiser ergos and look, but i also like performance both in handling and power. Hate everything about sportbikes except the performance.

What i don't get is why people think that everyone must fit into some sort of mold. Your question is one i see all the time, but i just don't get it. Why must someone want a bike to NOT do certain things well? I can understand if the thing they do well is not your #1 consideration and it happens to hurt whatever IS your #1 consideration. But if it does it all, why would you not be ecstatic about that? The way I see it you're getting a huge bonus. And i believe 99% of those looking at a cruiser would be happier if the bike they want does it all well. And i don't think anyone is surprised at cruisers scraping pegs. It may be mentioned in a shootout but i b=never heard any reviewer sound surprised, only reporting the fact.

Anyways, I think the thunderbird is helping to rewrite the book on what a cruiser can and should be. In the past manufacturers didn't even bother with those things when they built a cruiser, and thats why there are so may mediocre ones that do one thing well and 50 things horribly. Thats changing and it's a good thing. IMHO a cruiser that cruises well and does nothing else well is a very flawed motorcycle.
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I'm more of a hands on person. The Thunderbird is a great all round motorcycle that handles better than most all of the current day cruisers on the market. The larger V displacement bikes don't lend themselves to optimal handling. The wheel base of the bikes are to long, which slows side to side transitions. This effects recovery in turns. They're generally lower to the ground which limits clearance. Their balance is also effected by the placement of the engine.

With Triumphs parallel twin there's no need to stretch out the frame to accommodate the motor. This allows for a more compact frame and shorter wheel base. It also has better steering geometry. Side to side transition are much easier.

Motor wise, there's a large advantage in both horsepower and torque as can be seen in the dynos. This has an even greater effect on the road. Better overall response.

I'm not surprised at the T-Birds domination in the test. It just proves Triumph designed the T-Bird to be allot more than just straight line crustier. For those that doubt it's capability, I suggest you take one for a spin and decide for yourself. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

People buy a cruiser for stylized daily use and straight line comfort. It's no surprise they later find it inadequate for spirited riding. The T-Bird is an exception to the rule and has proven it since it's original release.

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Just because I want to ride a cruiser dosnt meen I have to ride a wollowing bag of rubbish.
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Looks like the Thunderbird did quite well in the review. Interesting that zooming thru the twisties was a problem for 3 of the 4 bikes. The California Black Eagle paid the price for this performance in poor ergonomics.

This presents and interesting question about cruisers in general. If the demographic for cruising is low and laid back, why are people surprised that they drag pegs and footboards when a cruiser is ridden like a sport bike?

What cha' think?

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Interesting question! I was never supprised that a cruiser would not handle as well as a sport bike but was always supprised at just how bad some cruisers are in the handleing department.

Myself like many others have owned and ridden many different bikes over the years giving me/us an expectation for a little more than just the ability to cruise slowly!

Why is it that the people who have settled for all the poor handleing cruisers not demanded more for thier money all along?
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The fact of the matter is that Triumph does,infact,call the Thunder Bird "a Cruiser".It looks like a Cruiser,it is comfortable to ride like a Cruiser,and Triumph advertises it as a Cruiser.So it must be a Cruiser.BUT!!! Even though it is heavier than a sport bike,the bonus here is that you can drive it like a sport bike if ya want to,but it's still a Cruiser.Dave!!!
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Looks like the Thunderbird did quite well in the review. Interesting that zooming thru the twisties was a problem for 3 of the 4 bikes. The California Black Eagle paid the price for this performance in poor ergonomics.

This presents and interesting question about cruisers in general. If the demographic for cruising is low and laid back, why are people surprised that they drag pegs and footboards when a cruiser is ridden like a sport bike?

What cha' think?

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Maybe a company that introduced a cruiser in recent years changed peoples minds on what to expect out of a cruiser? Standards are based off of current or historical expectations, so it only makes sense that raising those standards introduces change in our perception (expectations) of what a cruiser is or should be capable of, or just call it evolution.

Mmm...what company/bike could have caused this...
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maybe the Diavel, while not everyones cup of tea, might raise the bar
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I've ridden the Diavel - and I encourage any of you to ride it as well and tell me what you think. I loved the power but that was the ONLY thing I liked about it. It has more buttons and displays on it than some cars and I found it very distracting. Never did figure out how to toggle through to see my RPM's until he showed me after the ride. I'm 6', 200lbs and I found the ride very uncomfortable - upgright my pa-tootie. It is NOT. While not total sportbikish I found I was supporting too much of my upperbody weight with my hands, and in just 15 miles my hands fell asleep and I was taking turns shaking them to return blood flow. The seat drops into a severe V (to keep you from sliding off the back at full throttle?) and for my body type I found the weight bearing to be too far forward and it was hard to position the man parts to where my weight wasn't where I didn't want it to be. The handling in the twisties is superb, no doubt but it was very sport bikish, I could get on the throttle BEFORE the turn, much before I would on my TBird. It is feather lightish, too light, does not feel like a cruiser. When you stop at a light or sign you have to disengage your feet from the pegs because they are behind your knees, not just lift your feet off and down to the ground like a cruiser. I found it awkward to tuck them back up on the pegs behind my knees each time I took off. I was very glad to get off of it and back onto my bird. You just have to go ride one to know everything I'm talking about. To call it a cruiser in my opinion is like calling the Porsche Cayenne a station wagon. Somebody is stretching and I don't think we should let them!

About the lean angle on the TBird - don't let it fool you - they have to put the pegs and drag pins there for federal safety regulations, but a guy at a shop I trust just laughed at me and told me I could lean the bike so far past that - he said I could probably drag pipe and still be ok. I take a peg hitting as a mere indicator of where I am - not a need to panic anymore. Still quickens my heartbeat don't get me wrong, but I don't have the all out panic I did when it first happened to me!

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Daryl, i think he's wrong on that. (that you could lean far past the pegs if it weren't for them) There are several guys that reported having gone past the pegs by leaning till they folded way up and at that point the pavement contacted the frame, which doesn't give way ! Instead it of course will lift the wheel off the ground. At least one member suggested he found that out the hard was and trashed his bid.
But like i said here recently, I can lean and ride harder than a sane person should w/o going that far, so i now see it as a safety valve. I used to wish i could lean further, but i now feel the pegs keep me from leaning to the point where things start becoming really dangerous. There are time i wish i could, but I'm glad it's like this because i really can't help myself at times and i feel i would push it much too far. I already push it further than i know i should and having the clearance to do more i fear would end in disaster.
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