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post #31 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-13-2011, 12:39 PM
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It looks like a raw nerve has been hit. First, I am not defending or chastising any particular bike or bike culture. I live in Australia and we really don't have an us versus them mentality with riders of any particular brand of bike.

I recently spent a month in the States and noted the huge number of HDs compared with other marques. Strangely enough most of the riders appeared to be regular people on motorbikes. Yes, I saw the odd ratbag but I also saw a lot of homeless people wandering around too. It didn't make me think all Americans were homeless , only some and likewise with the bike riders.

I think Vain Cyrus is off on a tangent and is misunderstanding this whole thread and perhaps needs to mellow a bit.Yes, from his comments I can see he is a very experienced motorcyclist and has ridden more miles/kilometere than anyone else in a short 5 years span. As an officer, I would have thought his training would have shown him how to interpret and understand basic comments.

This forum is supposed to be fun, enlightening and a source of knowledge about our bike so how about taking a chill pill and enjoy what we have.
+1. This thread should probably be locked because i know what happens after this typically. we should move on but i fear we won't. Mods?
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You guys left out one important factor in this race.. power to weight ratio.

Congrats on having the lightest wife!
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I recently spent a month in the States and noted the huge number of HDs compared with other marques. Strangely enough most of the riders appeared to be regular people on motorbikes. Yes, I saw the odd ratbag but I also saw a lot of homeless people wandering around too. It didn't make me think all Americans were homeless, only some and likewise with the bike riders.
Good for you, then there's no need for you to stereotype others and I presume this is directed on Daryls behalf.

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I think Vain Cyrus is off on a tangent and is misunderstanding this whole thread and perhaps needs to mellow a bit.
No I didn't misunderstand anything you've said, it was pretty clear. It might be beneficial to others and yourself, if you would heed your own advice.

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There's no raw nerve been hit on my part. Which is even a poorer assumption on your part. I submit by quoting post #23, you're actually the one with the raw nerve. You originally guided this topic of discussion away from it's original intent with your comparison. There are those who speak from experience instead of personal bias. Particularly those regarding the HD.

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Guys, why is it that whenever someone says something favorable about a Harley it turns into a Harley bashing session
Maybe you shouldn't be so touchy with people's personal opinions regarding HD's. This isn't the first time you've made such comments and then tried to shadow them under general neutrality as part of the discussion. Ah but I digress.

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Last and certainly not least, until you're sitting in front of a person where you can hear their voice inflections, see their mannerisms, and read their body language, you really need to keep your unqualified assumptions and public defamation to yourself, especially those regarding my professional training and expertise. It's borderline libelous and counter productive to a healthy respectful discussion. It's also a demeaning attempt to place your intellectual values above others.

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Yes, from his comments I can see he is a very experienced motorcyclist and has ridden more miles/kilometer than anyone else in a short 5 years span.
No, I specifically stated you, not everyone else.
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I put more miles on HD's in 5 years then you'll do in two lifetimes.
One thing we're trained to do quite well is; listen to people and their comments then discern their particular meaning. I've listened for to your comments for quite along time as they standout like a sore thumb. You have a history of affiliation with bias HD comments. Those are the facts.

You need to realize neither of us are in a competition of who's right or wrong unless you wish to make it so. It's simply a non-personal discussion mixed with opinions and facts.

Now, if you'd like to carry on a civil discussion as it was intended and not attempt to direct a discussion regarding HD's, or make unqualified comments regarding the quality of my professional training, I'll be happy to reciprocate.

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Wow, this discussion took a little bit of a turn since I last checked...
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Quite true. What would you recommend DOC? Take 2 chill pills and call you in the morning?
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You guys left out one important factor in this race.. power to weight ratio.

Congrats on having the lightest wife!

Actually, I'm pretty sure you are right on that assumption, plus I believe all of my buddies involved had me by 40 or more pounds...
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I recently spent a month in the States and noted the huge number of HDs compared with other marques. Strangely enough most of the riders appeared to be regular people on motorbikes. Yes, I saw the odd ratbag but I also saw a lot of homeless people wandering around too. It didn't make me think all Americans were homeless , only some
Come on up to Ohio where I live next time and you can see lots of Harley riders who look like they are homeless..... j/k...sort of.
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You should check out the HD guys in L.A. There are a ton of them with big time attitude. I've run into quite a few and I never run into those types on any other bike other than HD. That said, even tho there are a lot of them, they are a relatively small percentage of HD riders when you consider that probably 50% of the bikes on the road here are harleys.
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Vain perhaps you should spend more time here - and you would see more fun and level headed guys than I have found in any other forum. You in fact started this whole thing by saying we Harley bash at every opportunity without facts. You will find more detailed facts about bikes down to every nut and bolt, weight distribution, quality of build from crank bearings to spark plug wires. Most of what I read and participate in on here is based on fact. So you jumped in on really in the middle of a few years worth of conversation among some guys that know each other fairly well. I don't know you - that was the first post I saw and if I am wrong then I am truly sorry - but it "appeared" you were another Harley guy in the wrong forum trying to tell us how we should speak in our forum. My feelings and observations are just that mine. My experiences, and if that is what I have seen and experienced with the Harley crowd - than that is what I have experienced. Lots of Hells Angels around there - is that everyone, of course not. But lots of "support your local red and white stickers" running around too. I don't want to be any part of that. My choice. Not anyone elses, and if I want to express my choice and the reasons why then that is my right to do so on a forum. A forum by definition would be the correct place to do it. If you on the other hand are the only one having a problem with the conversation than you can remove yourself from our forum and then you wont' feel the need to correct us.

About this officer - let me be clear, and make a confession. We talked about bikes twice - he expressed a desire to see my bike and he came over to see it once - briefly because I parked it out on the street. Then said he needed to get back to his hiding spot to get stop light runners. These motorcycle officers were running our neighborhood at the neighborhood's express wishes for them to do this very thing. They did not leave their post. I approached them to thank them. He stopped to see my bike AFTER writing a ticket and on his way back to his post. Him and his partner have received letters of thanks from me and other neighbors to their chief so it will go into their personnel file. I have since received a letter from the acting chief thanking us for our letters.

I have a feeling - that if we were to meet in person we would be fine - for some reason on there it isn't so - you went from us Harley bashing (which I submit to you is because you read one thing out of context and haven't done your homework) to ripping me and officers that you haven't met and how you would reprimand them. Shame on you. Talk about getting your panties in a wad and going off on a tangent. I stand by what I said. I would also encourage you to find a forum full of guys that just want to be ripped for their comments. I'm glad you aren't a police officer in my town. We don't need that kind of angry bad attitude protecting and serving.

I believe somewhere on this forum is a checkbox to permenantly ignore members - and you sir are one more stupid post from getting that checkmark. Good day.

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Sorry guys but my original comment was directed to ThunderRat about us Harley bashing. I don't feel we do that here, I've been here long enough to know that. Most of us throw comments about Harley's but we know each other well enough to know what we're about. Geez Dazco you made a comment awhile back about being able to beat a Harley with your Honda Accord. It was fun! And we took it that way.

Vain you took it upon yourself to rip into me and I wasn't even talking to you - my comment was to ThunderRat and he's cool. But you and your clip art to "classroom" us all together - I don't get it. I don't get it at all. I thoroughly enjoy the discussion on here for the most part but I'm not sure anyone enjoys the clip art and dissection. From where I come from it's called nitpicking - and everyone loves those guys!!!

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