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post #11 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-11-2011, 07:28 AM
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The 1700 does not make a huge difference.

I keep seeing everyone rave about the 1700. I have had mine for a couple of years and have ShortyTORS, no cat, performance air filter plus had it dynoed by Tuneboy. It gives around 105 horses but I don't think it is super fast. It is torquey but not a huge difference over the 1600. I have 3 mates with the same bikes and none of us can keep up with another mate's CVO Dyna. It is the 1800 with an exhaust and mild cams and kills most bikes. The Bird is a pleasant bike but no road rocket. I have been riding for 40+ years and have owned many bikes. I like the Bird because it is an easy going cruiser, has adequate power and good handling for a big heavy bike but lets not kid ourselves that they are fast. Now the R3 is as its name implies..... a Rocket and slays the Bird off the mark, in mid range and in top speed. I just think they are too big and the look does not appeal to me but from a pure Grunt perspective they are sensational.

I am currently getting my cams reprofiled which will give me around 120hp and that should make some difference. Maybe I will catch the Dyna CVO.
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I have 3 mates with the same bikes and none of us can keep up with another mate's CVO Dyna. It is the 1800 with an exhaust and mild cams and kills most bikes.
Yes, except the part where you can buy 2 Thunderbirds for the price of a CVO Dyna and have a few thousand dollars left over. That is where the Dyna kills ALL bikes.
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Try buying 3 Birds for the same price. he paid AUS $62k for his CVO in 2009. Money is not an issue for him as he loves his bike and has probably put another $6k into it. It kinda pissed him off when Harley dropped the price of their CVOs to just under $40k but thats life.
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It is torquey but not a huge difference over the 1600
I'm not sure where you derived that opinion from, but i have over a year on mine as a 1600 and almost a year now as a 1700, and the difference on mine is not as you describe. It's quite substantial. I suppose it depends on the individual's opinion of whats huge. If by huge you mean something like a 2 second difference in 1/4 mile times then you're right, but thats a heck of a lot to expect from cams and 100cc. Just as mods go mine went from what i felt was weak to what i felt was very exhilarating. thats the best i can describe it other than to say is was by no means a minor change. Like i said B4, a 1600 that was dyno'd then had the BB installed and dyno'd again showed a 18 HP increase at 5500 over what it did as a 1600. thats RWHP, but if measured by triumph's spec would be around 20-22 HP. I can tell you that a 1600 will barely get to 5500, as it runs out of breath before that. thats quite a healthy difference that i might well call huge. Also note the R3 in question was a touring model which has around 60 HP less than the roadster and 40 less than the standard which is no longer made. It has the same 100 HP a 1700 has and about 60-70 more Lbs. More torque is where the difference is, but if you think a 85 HP 1600 is not huge over a 100HP one, then the R3T isn't huge over the 1700 either.

Now I WILL agree with you it's not real quick compared to all else thats out there. But i think compared to other cruisers in it's size it's right up there if not close to top of it's class. But thats just power wise. Add all the other stuff like handling and how the powerband delivers the goods and it's definately a tough act to follow.

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Try buying 3 Birds for the same price. he paid AUS $62k for his CVO in 2009. Money is not an issue for him as he loves his bike and has probably put another $6k into it. It kinda pissed him off when Harley dropped the price of their CVOs to just under $40k but thats life.
The Harley CVO Dynas are nice bikes. But I just can't wrap my head around a $30-40k motorcycle. There are so many low mileage garage queens here that I would get a used one for under $20k. There is only one issue that is inherent with the Dyna design....that is the swingarm which is bolted through the back of the transmission. I traded a 2006 Dyna Lowrider on my Bird and I can tell you when you take an uphill sweeper curve over 30mph the rear tire loses its stability and gets squishy feeling. This rear tire "wallow" is really just cheap design by HD. It is a problem.

You can try adding a sputhe or true track stabilizer and that helps but doesn't rid the bike of that flaw.
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The Harley CVO Dynas are nice bikes. But I just can't wrap my head around a $30-40k motorcycle. There are so many low mileage garage queens here that I would get a used one for under $20k. There is only one issue that is inherent with the Dyna design....that is the swingarm which is bolted through the back of the transmission. I traded a 2006 Dyna Lowrider on my Bird and I can tell you when you take an uphill sweeper curve over 30mph the rear tire loses its stability and gets squishy feeling. This rear tire "wallow" is really just cheap design by HD. It is a problem.

You can try adding a sputhe or true track stabilizer and that helps but doesn't rid the bike of that flaw.
I wonder if thats why i have seen this phenomenon with harleys a number of times. I'll be on the freeway and see a HD cruising along at normal speeds and it will be in a perpetual speed wobble. i have seen this many times and it's scary. Not like a speed wobble thats necessarily going to mean imminent danger, but you can easily see it. I once saw a group of 4 HD's and 3 were doing that. I once saw a HD down on the freeway with apparently no car involved and wondered if that had anything to do with it. I also have a friend with a dyna model and he isn't afraid to tell me his bike scares him in the way it handles even in a straight line on the freeway. I recently went camping with him and on the freeway he was under the speed limit by 5 MPH most of the way. I had to keep slowing down and waiting for him. he later told me he had to due to the road conditions and the fact his bike couldn't handle it well. The road was normal ! So maybe thats the issue.
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Sounds like two very good reasons to stick with Triumph over the HDs, price and handling!
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I wonder if thats why i have seen this phenomenon with harleys a number of times. I'll be on the freeway and see a HD cruising along at normal speeds and it will be in a perpetual speed wobble. i have seen this many times and it's scary. Not like a speed wobble thats necessarily going to mean imminent danger, but you can easily see it. I once saw a group of 4 HD's and 3 were doing that. I once saw a HD down on the freeway with apparently no car involved and wondered if that had anything to do with it. I also have a friend with a dyna model and he isn't afraid to tell me his bike scares him in the way it handles even in a straight line on the freeway. I recently went camping with him and on the freeway he was under the speed limit by 5 MPH most of the way. I had to keep slowing down and waiting for him. he later told me he had to due to the road conditions and the fact his bike couldn't handle it well. The road was normal ! So maybe thats the issue.
I've never noticed a Harley wobble, but that might explain why you hardly ever see one doing more than 60.
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I've never noticed a Harley wobble, but that might explain why you hardly ever see one doing more than 60.
Come to think of it, that may be the answer!

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I've never noticed a Harley wobble, but that might explain why you hardly ever see one doing more than 60.
You get the squishy feeling on a 2006> Dyna from the rear tire because the swing-arm bushings have some play and move around when you increase the axial load on them like in a long sweeper turn. Really weird the first time you experience it. Feels like the tire is rolling sideways for a second then grips. Really increases the pucker factor. Many guys ride Harleys very hard but they are really made for cruising. My Dyna handled well on the freeway at speeds up to 110mph which was pretty much top end. But leaves a lot to be desired in the twisties.

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