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post #11 of 41 (permalink) Old 09-24-2011, 02:37 AM
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I only started riding this year. Went to a Triumph dealer and thought the Tbird was way too big for me to handle. Bought the America. Loved riding it. However felt it always needed more power. After 2k miles in a couple of months went to get some extra goodies added. While installing them the dealer asked if I wanted to take a ride out on another. Grabbed the Storm. Yes feels heavier standing still but let the clutch out and now everything is smoother, more stable and a lot of power. You pay for this as was almost $6k more. I think it was worth the upgrade which I did 10 days later. Go to a dealer and take one for a ride. Let us know how you get on. Good luck.
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post #12 of 41 (permalink) Old 10-07-2011, 12:33 PM
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Hi all, this is my first post on this T-Bird Forum but I've been a member for some time as I currently own a Speedmaster. I have been interested in this thread as I plan to buy a T-Bird next year when the 2012 models start appearing.

Whilst I love my Speedmaster, I've done everything I can power wise except a big bore which I considered before realizing you just can't beat displacement.

I've also got a couple of mates who started on speedmasters and they just rave about their T-Birds. One of the blokes is Fast Eddy who I'd have to say is one of the most honest and descent blokes I've come across. So if he says to me "Stacka, you won't be disappointed", then I believe him.

As Dazco mentioned though, I'd prefer a 1700cc model straight off the production line to get the best power element. I'm also hoping the 2012 models come in different colours besides black and also have ABS.

Anyway, I hope to get to know you all soon enough as I just can't wait to buy a bird and be able get on here with questions myself as a Newbie T-Bird owner. Btw, hi to Dazco from Stacka who I remember when he had a Blue Speedmaster and helped me out a few years back with advise and whatnot.
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I've been curious about this thread as well as I'm looking to get into a Triumph. I currently ride a Vulcan 500, but am ready to upgrade and I went to test ride an America. It was great, but the the dealer put me on a Thunderbird and I haven't been able to get that out of my mind ever since!

There are more used Speedmasters and Americas out there and for a lot less bread than a Thunderbird, so it seems like maybe a good choice to just start with a smaller Triumph. But am I gonna be longing for the T-Bird even if I get a new Speedmaster/America? I'm thinking yes, especially after reading threads like this one. I'd also like to hold out for a bike with ABS. It rains a lot here in Oregon.

But coming up from a Vulcan 500, I wonder if I should just make a small size jump to my next bike. By that I mean get the 1600cc Bird instead of the 1700cc
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I've been curious about this thread as well as I'm looking to get into a Triumph. I currently ride a Vulcan 500, but am ready to upgrade and I went to test ride an America. It was great, but the the dealer put me on a Thunderbird and I haven't been able to get that out of my mind ever since!

There are more used Speedmasters and Americas out there and for a lot less bread than a Thunderbird, so it seems like maybe a good choice to just start with a smaller Triumph. But am I gonna be longing for the T-Bird even if I get a new Speedmaster/America? I'm thinking yes, especially after reading threads like this one. I'd also like to hold out for a bike with ABS. It rains a lot here in Oregon.

But coming up from a Vulcan 500, I wonder if I should just make a small size jump to my next bike. By that I mean get the 1600cc Bird instead of the 1700cc
Once you have logged some miles on a decent handleing street bike making a huge jump in size isnt as big of a deal as many think. It does still require some patients and self controll but its not like starting off on a 125 or 250 cc bike then jumping right onto a turbo chrged hyabusa a month later.
When recomending bike size for new or newer riders I try to make the recomendation based on knowledge common sense and ability balanced with the riders size and whight. If you can handle the bike at standstill, backing up or turning it around on uneven surfaces and do slow tight manuvers within reason jumping up should not be as much a problem as some would think, this is providing you are a decent rider with enuff common sense to take your time getting use to the bike in all other aspects before really exploreing its full potential.
It also makes it less expensive as going bigger in small steps can be an expensive way to get there.
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making a huge jump in size isnt as big of a deal as many think
So true, but not in every case. In the case of the Tbird tho you're spot on. I cannot say it too many times....If you rode a speedmaster or america and are afraid of the change to this bigger bike, don't be. the Tbird is so well balanced and handles so good that it actually is EASIER to ride and handle than the speedmaster/america ! I'm not kidding. It feels heavier if you are pushing it around the garage or such, but riding it feels like a lighter smaller bike than a speedy or america except for the bigger look. At first it may seem like more because it looks so much bigger when sitting on it. And that may have you a bit nervous. But soon after you take off and lose the worry you'll find it's like i'm saying.

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But coming up from a Vulcan 500, I wonder if I should just make a small size jump to my next bike. By that I mean get the 1600cc Bird instead of the 1700cc
The 1600 will be no different than the 1700 in any way but power, and the 1700 is just as easy to ride as the 1600. theres a thing you twist on the right handgrip.....just don't turn it a lot till you are used to it. Seriously, once you're used to the bike you'll wish you'd gotten the 1700, so go that way and just take it easy till you are used to it.

The one thing i would caution any newer rider or rider thats never had a bike with much power is to realize that theres a LOT of low end torque on this bike. So when taking off or making turns especially at slow speeds or any situation where the rear tire might break loose, take it easy. Torque can be tricky at slow speeds like turning corners or taking off. If there is any water or sand or an oily road, be especially careful not to whack the throttle during take off and turns at slow speed. Lots of torque is capable of breaking the tire loose. i don't mean to scare anyone off, but just realizing that and riding accordingly you'll be fine.
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Thanks for the input. When I test rode the T-Bird, my first thought was that it handled remarkebely better than the America. That really surprised me because of the weight. I knew I'd love it at higher speeds, so I didn't bother going on any roads where I would open it up. Instead I wanted to see how it felt in the city where there were a lot of stop signs. I was surprised how smooth it was to stop. Was much more stable than my Vulcan. I also took it to a parking lot and just did a lot of circles and 8's to see how I could handle it with the slow speed maneuvering. Again, it was awesome and gave me the confidence pretty quickly that it would be no prob to work into a T-Bird. And you're right, being very cautious with the torque capabilities was the way to go. Last thing I wanted to do was to dump their demo bike!

Going bigger in small steps does seem like the expensive way to go. That's a good point, Paulfun. Do you mind mentioning that to my wife for me?

I am curious if the MPG savings by having a 1600 as opposed to the 1700 is enough to justify the smaller of the two. Even now though, that last thing I'm thinking about when I ride is how much gas I'm saving. I'm sure that thought (or lack thereof) would be magnified on a 1700.
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I am curious if the MPG savings by having a 1600 as opposed to the 1700 is enough to justify the smaller of the two
having bought the 1600, rode it for a year, then got the 1700 kit installed i can tell you the difference. The 1700 when ridden the same will get 2-4 MPG less. So by the time the low fuel light goes on at around 3.5-4 gallons from full, you will have gone about 10-15 miles further. Well worth it as far as i'm concerned because the 1700 is a much more fun ride even when riding sedately. The feel of the power is there even riding slowly and it just feels great.

riding hard in stop and go traffic will take it down as low as 34 MPG, but in contrast i got 50 MPG on a slow easy ride when we went camping a couple weeks ago.
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I have the Storm so cannot speak for the 1600. However my experience on mileage is similar to Dazco. Around town stop start in the low 30's. However close to 50 on a long easy run.

Goodluck with the new bike
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First full post, so suffer the newbie, please.. I upgraded from a Honda CB 900 to a 2011 Jet Black Thunderbird Storm. Now here's the rub.., I got rid of the Honda in 1984, hacnt ridden since I sat on this beauty. Flew from Toronto to New Orleans to buy it, and within half a block of driving away from the dealership, it was all there. The bike and me. Through city and country, flat and mountain, this bike handled it beautifully, all 1,600 miles home. Get the 1700, I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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Going bigger in small steps does seem like the expensive way to go. That's a good point, Paulfun. Do you mind mentioning that to my wife for me?

I dont think she would listen to me anyway! But I'll try if you want!

When I decided to convfince my other half I stressed the cruiser word(in her mind slow relaxing rides) and kept pointing out how much more comfy she would be with the long haul seat and backrest compared to my other bikes. It only took her 2 days after I had it to realize it wasnt slow at all!!
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