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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-02-2011, 07:03 PM Thread Starter
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Not...very, not happy! #^&*#[email protected]!!!

So today is the day I waited for all week - new back tire!!! This is my first rear tire change off factory so I warn the shop about the belt issue with alignment and squeaking and they just kinda nod and say yea yea, the guys on the forum aren't mechanics, blah blah.

5 miles from the shop I come to a stop sign and I can hear it squeaking from 35mph on down to about 10mph where it fades out. Call them up - sure bring it by - I bring it by and it will NOT squeak in their parking lot, so I go ride around - nope. Pull in and tell them it's squeaking anyway - won't squeak for them. So I leave and it starts squeaking again - as I ride it up to the parking space it squeaks. By the time they test the bike, no squeak...but they clean and dress the belt anyway - and I leave - no squeak thru town - go 5 miles to a stop and squeak squeak at 35 mph again.

Now I'm home and stuck with it for what was supposed to be a wonderful weekend of riding on this holiday weekend. This squeak sounds like a little red wagon with a wobbly rusty wheel. A homelss bum with a rusted out shopping cart with a floppy wheel. I'm actually getting looks from motorists as I roll up to a stop and trust me, it's not because of the nifty Triumph badge on the tank either. So help me out here - is this a safety issue? Can I ride this weekend? Is there anything I can do at home to make this better?

And Daz when you read this you need to go to your shop buddy and steal that tool and Fed-ex it to me...I'll PM you my shipping info!

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Don't worry about it. Take your ride and enjoy yourself ! The squeak happens even with the tension about right and wheel aligned correctly. Then it's mysteriously go away. I've learned it's just the way it is and that it can do that even when everything is at least close to perfect. Just make sure it's not insanely loose or tight.

As to alignment, i found a good way to do this. There are 2 holes n the swingarm near the pivot point on each side. Actually theres 2 on the left and on the right theres also 2 but one is filled with the mounting dealie the belt guard screws onto. You can use these holes to measure from the center of the axl on each side. One the left one of the holes has a chrome ring in it. The other hole is just black. Use the black one. on the right side like i said theres only one hole because the one with the chrome ring is filled with the guard mount. So take some string or wire etc, something that won't stretch when you lightly pull it tight. Find a pencil or something that will fit in the hole and tie the string around it. Pull the string in the shorted path to the axl center then mark it. Do that on the other side and adjust the wheel till they match lengthwise. It works very well and you will have the wheel aligned very close. It matched the alignment of how it was when i got it back from mickey after he installed the warranty belt and adjusted it.

Oh, and by the way.....that has become the standard line for EVERY SINGLE dealer, factory rep, or anyone in the triumph food chain when you mention internet forums. They tell you all that stuff is BS. Meanwhile i'm looking at pics that are absolute proof or other reasons i know i can believe. hell, to be blunt i have gotten FAR greater info from the forums than any of the mechs or reps i have talked to, and thats a dead on FACT. I've had mechs tell me you can't believe anyone on the forums because they all BS and lie ! Pisses me off. You can tell them about the compression release issue and they'll tell you thats BS, yet there have been PICTURES of the frucking things broken posted on the forums ! They're idiots. I trust dealers about as much as i trusted osama bin laden.

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By the way, i just realized you said it squeaks as you roll to a stop. If thats the case it's not the belt ! But i think i may know what it is. They maybe didn't grease the works up when they replaced the wheel. Mine did the same thing squeaking even barely rolling and it was a lack of grease in the axl/spacer area. I sprayed WD40 all in there on both sides of the spacer on the pulley side and it went away 100%. Now, i did that to see if thats what it was, not as a fix ! It started again a few weeks later and again wd40 got rid of it as a temp measure till i removed the wheel again to put the avon on. So try som wd40 and if that gets rid of it, take it back to the dealer and tell them to remove the wheel again and grease up the works ! If the squeaking started after they put the tire on i guaran-damn-tee you it's thier fault ! How I know.....last time i took the wheel off i had a heck of a time reinstalling it and a lot of the grease got removed in the hour long struggle. When i was done thats when it started. And (and i since came up with a much better wheel re-install procedure)
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Thanks Daz. Like I said the squeak sound is like a wheel turning- it is a rotating sound, not like what I would expect from an infinite belt spinning on the rear sprocket - your 2nd post makes perfect sense. The cycle of the squeak is definitely in tune to the revolutions of the wheel itself. If WD-40 works for awhile, I'm thinking the white lithium grease (made for metal on metal) might work better? But you are right, the dealer should make it right, and unfortunately I have to wait now until Tuesday for them to do that. They did tell me that they re-installed the wheel "exactly" where it was when they took it off - and they didn't adjust the belt - but I can dang sure tell you that the belt is tighter now than it was when I took it in. I'm not sure that's a bad thing as it was never adjusted from purchase and it might have been getting on the loose side. They told me it is NOT too tight, and when I look at the guard and push with my finger, it seems to be where it should be. Also as for the speed of where I hear it - I have heard it as high as 40 mph, but beyond that I think wind noise, tire noise and whatnot just makes it harder to hear, plus the speed of the wheel probably makes the squeak a different frequency harder to hear as well. I'm going to go spray it now and later I'm going to go gas it up - supposed to be at a Poker run sign in at 8AM tomorrow morning and that's all I need is 500 Harley owners seeing "Squeaky" ride up on his Triumph!

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White lithium may work, and in fact thats what i was going to use but my can was old and when i tried it it was dead. But WD40 is actually better for testing because it's more likely than anything to wick deep in and get better coverage. The lithium would be better for the long run, but you only want to test it. the real fix is to get in there and grease it good.

And like i said, belt chirp is only going to happen during acceleration, not cruise or decel where you seem to hear it. plus it's more of a chirping sound than the squeak, but "squeak" is exactly how i'd explain the wheel needing grease. Give it a shot of WD and you'll probably find thats it. besides, even if i squeaks you will still have it all over those harley guys ! By the way, a kawi concours tried to race me today on the way to work. He got the jump on me but i was surprised to find he really didn't pull me ! If we'd kept going i'm sure he would have, but in a roll on from about 20 to 60 MPH i kept up. I was shocked to be honest. The concours i think has like 150 HP. I think the older ones only had 95 or something, but this one looked quite new.

Anyways, good luck with the WD, and have a good ride.
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Just got back from a trip to the gas station and Safeway - no squeak - not even a hint of one - I think you nailed it - I'll let those yahoo's on Tuesday know what to do. Ugh - you pay $90 - $120/hr for service you should get GOOD service.

I like stories like the Kawi - you're going to talk me into the BB kit yet!

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Thats why i say dealers are worthless. A necessary evil. They rarely talk to you w/o some agenda and deception, and they will never admit to any mistake or wrong doing, which they commit on a regular basis. Learn to do as much of the work as you can yourself. In a way i can understand that since they are only human and are going to make mistakes now and then. But the problem i have is they do this constantly. Like i've said many times, i have had my tbird in the shop 3 times and my speedy once, and of those 4 times they screwed up FOUR times. Twice in ways that could have easily gotten me killed. No wait, make that THREE things that could have gotten me killed. And i'm not even exaggerating in the least. They have to be THE #1 worse service of any kind on earth. This was 4 screwups at 4 different dealers with 3 mistakes that could have been deadly. Need i say more?!

In any case i'm glad the WD worked. They may decline to grease it free and may not admit to anything. But they should have greased it and apparently didn't.
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Took mine back in for squeaky belt right after my $825.00 12K service. Told all was fine "they all do that". I knew better as the squeak was pretty loud under acceleration. Anyway, took a 150 mile trip up the coast. Got home and there were black spots all over the back wheel on the belt side only...took it back and it has been there almost three weeks waiting for a new belt and pully....I have had issues with every problem discussed on this forum except sticking speedo. Have had the bike 19 months and it has been in the shop over 3 of those months...It is time for Triumph to admit this early build Bird was a total lemon from day one.

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Thats a drag, sorry you have so many issues Len. Mine is july '09, one of the first. And i have had belt issues but go to a HD forum or just google harley belt adjustment and you can spend a week reading about HD riders with issues. Other than that tho mine has never been in the shop except to have the BB installed, chrome triple clamps installed, and the 600 mile service which was a $300 mistake. But it's been reliable and just great. Same with most, but there have been a handful like yourself, and i agree triumph should own up. But they generally don't unless it's a single issue they know is a defective design on thier part. Truth be told, no bike manufacturer is going to be quick to honor warranty issues unless it's undeniable. It is unfortunately the way of the world today and something you risk owning a bike. My experience is that most manufacturers won't own up to everything because even with a good design, when you sell as many units as they do it only takes a fraction of owners to have issues and to the manufacturer that can be a huge investment. The consumer only sees it as why won't they fix my problems, how much could it cost a huge company like this. The manufacturer has a 1000 consumers asking that of them at a time, a huge investment to them.

I'm not siding with them, i agree with you. But thats why IMO they aren't always ready to jump on warranty issues and do the right thing. refusing a customer's request for warranty issues is a calculated risk to them and based on market research. Were are just numbers to them, and triumph is just one of the many.
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Rode my bike 5 miles today. To the Victory dealer Demo Day -rode a Hammer and Crossroads. The hammer pulls so hard it squishes your brain into the back of your head - Daz be interested to see you get beside one of those guys - thing pulls way harder than I thought it would or even could, first and 2nd gear felt like there was a real chance the front wheel might lift. My bike started the squeak on the ride home. I'm getting pretty pissed. Now I'll get to watch all my buddies ride off Monday and mine will stay in the garage and I'll go do something mundane like rent a pedal paddle boat at the little duck lake. Sigh. Fricken sux!!!! Stupid bike shops.

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