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First let me say this forum is a fantastic wealth of knowledge. I learned more just reading these posts then I have in my first 9 years of riding.

I've done a bunch of searching on these forums, and I think I already know the answer, but I wanted to just make sure..
have the tanks changed shape at all since '95?
I'm guessing the legend, adventurer, tbird, and tbird sport have interchangeable tanks... would somebody like to correct or back-up that statement?

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Sorry to drag up such an old topic, but I'm buying my first Triumph Triple on a budget and hoping to mix and match parts from different models (Mr Martini style: http://www.mrmartini.it/italiano/index.html).

I know there was a lot of crossover between engine and frames, I'm just wondering exactly what fits what: did the Legend, Adventurer, T-bird, and T-bird sport (and even the early Speed Triple) all use essentially the same frame, so parts can 'easily' be swapped between them? What about the early Trident, Trophy & Daytona... were they different?

I was really hoping to pick up a cheap Trident or Daytona 750 base and backdate it with a T-bird tank, seat and side panels to create a retro bike with more dynamic geometry than the T-Bird... does that sound possible, or am I barking up the wrong tree. Yes, it would make more sense to start with a T-bird, but they're still pretty expensive.

Any help greatly appreciated.
 

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http://www.triumph-ant.co.uk/bikes.html

The first one looks like a Legend... and there is more modified
I think that conversion is expensive and it would be cheaper to buy a T-bird and put some money to it to look and feel better. (A tank, fenders, seat and side panels) but I have to say it sounds interesting and like to hear how the project goes.
 

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Sorry to drag up such an old topic, but I'm buying my first Triumph Triple on a budget and hoping to mix and match parts from different models (Mr Martini style: http://www.mrmartini.it/italiano/index.html).

I know there was a lot of crossover between engine and frames, I'm just wondering exactly what fits what: did the Legend, Adventurer, T-bird, and T-bird sport (and even the early Speed Triple) all use essentially the same frame, so parts can 'easily' be swapped between them? What about the early Trident, Trophy & Daytona... were they different?

I was really hoping to pick up a cheap Trident or Daytona 750 base and backdate it with a T-bird tank, seat and side panels to create a retro bike with more dynamic geometry than the T-Bird... does that sound possible, or am I barking up the wrong tree. Yes, it would make more sense to start with a T-bird, but they're still pretty expensive.

Any help greatly appreciated.
I've thought about this myself, a possible route to a 98hp classic triple.

Have a look at the frame detail on the bikebandit.com fiches (fishes?). I think you'll need a classic model rear subframe & associated fittings, battery box etc. but it should just bolt up.

On the main frame, I could see the coil mount points were different under the tank but these could by moved I guess. (Then use a 'classic' wiring loom to put connections in the right place.)

Fork top yoke would need to be changed to take 7/8" bars?

It would make sense to use the Trident wheels brakes etc. (17" wheel variants for easier tyre choices.)

Mostly I think it's very doable.

If I had the spare cash for another project I might well be at this myself.

Photos & info as you go please ! :)

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Have a look at the frame detail on the bikebandit.com fiches (fishes?). I think you'll need a classic model rear subframe & associated fittings, battery box etc. but it should just bolt up.

On the main frame, I could see the coil mount points were different under the tank but these could by moved I guess. (Then use a 'classic' wiring loom to put connections in the right place.)
You cant bolt a T3 classic subframe to a T3 sports or touring main frame. The classic was the only one with the removable rear subframe it was welded on the others.

However, on the plus side I do not believe that the geometry differences come from the headstock (though I could be wrong) they all came from the length of the forks, height of the rear and offset in the trees.

So basically what I am saying is that I think you achieve what you are seeking through bolting non-classic T3 parts such as suspension / forks / triples onto a stock T3 backbone. Pretty much every thing will be bolt up - though you will find some things like exhaust and sidestand mounts can be a bit of a pain.
 

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I was just typing a reply to this when yours came through: I hadn't banked on having to change the rear subframe, but if as you say you can't anyway, that's that out of the way.

I know with the Twins the differences in geometry come from different springs/spacers in the fork, differently-sized front wheel on the Thrux and longer/shorter rear shocks, so I was presuming (hoping) that it was similar on the T3 models.

Cosmetically it looks as though a T-Bird tank would pretty much bolt straight on to a Trophy/Trident/Daytona (other models too?), and I'd imagine the cowled seat unit from the T-Bird Sport could be adapted to fit with a little persuasion. That leaves the side panels, which I'd imagine might be more of a problem.

Geometry-wise I'm guessing I can choose to set the bike up with any of the shock or fork options - my preference at the moment might be for T-Bird looks with a Daytona top yoke and bars for a Classic/sportbike combination, more akin to a Ducati SC1000.

Any chance of using the wire wheels, or would a T3 frame be stuck with the cast versions?
 

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wheels would not be a problem.

The T3 sport and touring main frame is pretty much identical to a T3 classic (apart from the subframe at the rear), so everything will bolt up. The under-slung variant rear brake is an exception - the T3 classic frame did not include the mounting bracketry for that, but its easy to convert to the overslung type found on the later Sprints and Trophys
 

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Cosmetically it looks as though a T-Bird tank would pretty much bolt straight on to a Trophy/Trident/Daytona (other models too?),
Not a direct bolt on as the rear mount for the tank is on the rear subframe on a T3 classic and the other T3's used a different rear mount so some bracket fabrication would be required
 

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I like to watch too...

How about a T'bird with a 1200 Trophy motor.....
Sorry to drag up such an old topic, but I'm buying my first Triumph Triple on a budget and hoping to mix and match parts from different models (Mr Martini style: http://www.mrmartini.it/italiano/index.html).

I know there was a lot of crossover between engine and frames, I'm just wondering exactly what fits what: did the Legend, Adventurer, T-bird, and T-bird sport (and even the early Speed Triple) all use essentially the same frame, so parts can 'easily' be swapped between them? What about the early Trident, Trophy & Daytona... were they different?

I was really hoping to pick up a cheap Trident or Daytona 750 base and backdate it with a T-bird tank, seat and side panels to create a retro bike with more dynamic geometry than the T-Bird... does that sound possible, or am I barking up the wrong tree. Yes, it would make more sense to start with a T-bird, but they're still pretty expensive.

Any help greatly appreciated.
 

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How about a T'bird with a 1200 Trophy motor.....
can (and has) been done... not totally straightforward but as conversions go fairly easy. In order to be worth riding it would need appropriate suspension and brake mods IMHO. I have thought about doing this a few times.
 

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How about a T'bird with a 1200 Trophy motor.....
I'd prefer a Day 12 to a Trophy 12... but sure would miss that triple howl - it's one of the things that make these bikes great! 4 cylinders good, 3 better.

By the way, the best way to get some ideas on bike mods is to come to the Rally... :D ... and before someone sez so, we had folks from Minneapolis AND the UK at the last big one.... worth the trip!
 

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Not a direct bolt on as the rear mount for the tank is on the rear subframe on a T3 classic and the other T3's used a different rear mount so some bracket fabrication would be required

Does this mean that if I take the mounting bracket off my existing 01 Tbird classic, I could use it on a 95-97 gas tank to mount to my 01 Tbird classic?
 

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Does this mean that if I take the mounting bracket off my existing 01 Tbird classic, I could use it on a 95-97 gas tank to mount to my 01 Tbird classic?
No it doesn't mean that - I was saying that you couldnt just bolt a T3 classic (TBird , Adventurer, Legend) tank onto a non-classic T3 such as a Daytona, Trophy, Trident, Speed Triple or Sprint.

However, the answer the the second part of your question is "correct" as the rear mounting bracket for a TBird tank did not change between 95 and 01 IIRC.
 

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I'm looking at this myself. Thinking of adapting the seat from a MK1 Speedy, then fabricating a bracket for a TBS tank, changing the side panels (fabrication of fitting brackets) then leaving the rest alone . Has anyone done this? I just love the TBS tank (got a spare one) and the MK1 Speedy's performance. Other option would be speedy guts in my TBS.
 

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A welded subframe is no hindrance to a custom build. Steel can be cut, fabricated and welded at will. If it were not so we would all be riding wooden bikes.
 
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