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As one guy put it, "I can tolerate Triumph...at least GB was an ally."
Your answer to that should be, "Then why do you ride a Jap bike?" Harley has so many Japanese parts now it hardly qualifies as an American machine any more. When the suspension, the fuel delivery system, the electronics and electrical system to name a few, come from Japan it isn't American. The only American bike left is Victory. Maybe that's why they all ride with that pissed off look?
 

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The ride is the thing. The bike is what enables the ride. My sense is you should not let other clowns rain on your parade. Try to play nice and if others do not, then it is THEIR problem, and should not be yours. I decided a long time ago to wave to other riders. Don't really care if they wave back or not. Waving is just a respectful sign of acknowledgement of a fellow (or girl) rider. To me, it means I am enjoying riding and those who also ride. My bike is a British-made Triumph Thunderbird SE. It is understated, and if others do not like the styling, that is just fine with me. I bought the bike because I liked the workmanship, fit and performance. If someone tells me it is the ugliest bike they have ever seen, that does not bother me either. My liking the motorcycle has nothing to do with what others think of the bike, and I extend the same to folks with a different bike. If you look, you will find jerks riding virtually any bike ever made. Don't let that diminish in any way your ride or your riding. That's my stand, and I am sticking to it.
 

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Finally decided to pull the trigger and buy the Thunderbird yesterday. After a little ride I stopped at a local restraunt/bar that is also a big biker stop and got some grub. I was supprised to see how many harley riders stopped, looked and commented on the bike!
Many of the older riders did have stories to tell about thier younger years and an old triumph they had but the people around my age just liked the bike and most were full of questions about it.

Will have to wait and see how the Die hard act when they are around!

Curtis- I'm with you. it really dosnt matter what someone else thinks about your bike as long as you like it. But when you notice the type behavior we are talking about you have to find it amusing! I know I do! For me I almost always take a look at other bikes and even when I dont like what I'm looking at at try too see something in the mix that I do just in case the owner is close and starts talking to you. Its amazzing how easy some peoples ego is hurt.

By the way if it wast for me checking out other bikes I would not have stumbled upon the Thunderbird. I saw my first one on the 11th at bike night at the local hang out and then test rode a storm on fri the 12th. Picked up the new Thunderbird yesterday so it pays to look at other rides!
 

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When I rode the T-100, Just about everyone I spoke with thought it was a great bike. HD, Bimmers, UJM, it was pretty much universal. It wasn't stepping on any toes.
With the T-bird, it's a bit different. It still get comments, but with the HD set, it's surprise followed by confusion. Surprise that Triumph builds a big cruiser. Then confusion because they don't seem to know how to feel about it. It's like they aren't sure whether to hate it or not.
Watching peoples expressions change when they see it is a larger percentage of the fun of of owning it than I thought it would be.
 

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With the T-bird, it's a bit different. It still get comments, but with the HD set, it's surprise followed by confusion. Surprise that Triumph builds a big cruiser. Then confusion because they don't seem to know how to feel about it. It's like they aren't sure whether to hate it or not.
Thats probably because they have that HD attitude where no other cruiser is as good. And the fact is there aren't many if even ANY other cruisers out there that aren't total clones of harleys. So they see a copy and they think they have the real thing. So they are used to all other big cruisers being imitations of the real thing. then they see the Tbird with a parallel twin and incredibly sleek looks and not at all a HD clone yet still a cruiser and it confuses them because they've never run across anything like that before. So they sit there trying to figure out how they can convince themselves they still have the only real cruiser, but it's hard for them to compare when they are both cruisers but totally different. A parallel twin is so unusual for a cruiser because to date triumph is the only ones to make one ! (yes, i know about the jap toys like rebels and some 400's cruisers, but thats a whole different thing)

So i think they're torn because they like it but want to NOT like it, especially more than thiers because how would they then feel after all those years of dedication and $30k into thier parade floats? If it were a V twin then they could just say "another wannabe". Of course if they rode one they might have a much harder time being loyal ! :D Actually many wouldn't. My buddys bro who's ridden Harleys since the 70's rode mine and when he got back he basically said it's better than his in every way but he still prefers his Harley ! But hey, whatever the reason if he likes it that much more power to him.
 

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When I rode the T-100, Just about everyone I spoke with thought it was a great bike. HD, Bimmers, UJM, it was pretty much universal. It wasn't stepping on any toes.
With the T-bird, it's a bit different. It still get comments, but with the HD set, it's surprise followed by confusion. Surprise that Triumph builds a big cruiser. Then confusion because they don't seem to know how to feel about it. It's like they aren't sure whether to hate it or not.
Watching peoples expressions change when they see it is a larger percentage of the fun of of owning it than I thought it would be.
That's funny. I don't get that at all even here in Daytona, Harley Heaven. I've received nothing but compliments here. I meet a group of guys one night a week at the Iron Horse (big time Harley hangout) and sometimes have a hard time getting away with all the Harley riders asking questions and rubber necking. A couple have even traded. If it were made in Japan it might be a different story but then it isn't a V Twin so they can't really call it a clone.
 

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More often than not, when I stop at a gas station or for lunch when I'm out on a ride, I get someone coming up to me with one of three reactions:

1) "Wow, I didn't realize Triumph made big cruisers like this. What a beautiful bike." or
2) " You know, I love the T-bird. It's my next bike." Or
3) "Triumph, eh? I had a Triumph way back in the <insert decade here". I loved that bike. What great times."

That's what's wonderful about having a bike like the Thunderbird. Great way to meet people!

Geoff
Geoff, I still have my beo and now a Triumph America but soon will have a T bird. The T bird fits like a glove, I can't wait!
 

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Sold my electraglide last year and bought a Triumph America. Why? because I felt like a clone. Everyone has the same bike. I went to deals gap and rode fourteen hours on that day, and was surprised how comfortable it was. Now I am lusting over the T bird. I never did buy in to all that harley BS.
 

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Geoff, I still have my beo and now a Triumph America but soon will have a T bird. The T bird fits like a glove, I can't wait!
You will find that as great a bike as the america is, when you get the Tbird you will feel like the america was a toy in the ride, the handling, the power, quality, everything. And i'm not saying the america isn't a great bike or that it's a toy, it truly is great. But thats just how good the Tbird is. I marveled at the quality when i first got mine having had the speedmaster as my comparison. Theres a lot in the details you will gradually come to notice. Make sure you either buy a storm or other 1700 if there are any, or get the 1600 and have the 1700 kit put in. It really is much better. You don't have to ride fast to appriciate it. The feeling of that extra torque even when riding sedately is just so nice. Plus when you DO want to twist the wick the bike won't run out of breath 2000 RPM's under redline like the stock 1600 does. But if you gotta go with the 1600, at least get the short tors and uni filter and the 20310 tune. That makes a considerable difference too. I could even live with it like that, but the stock 1600 just doesn't breathe.
 

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Problem is, people often try and make things perfect, and in the process they ruin what they loved about it in the first place. It's the quirks and things that you might feel make you less than fully comfortable that make them so thrilling. It's the IMPERFECTIONS that give you the thrill. Eliminate those things and you're in a car, so you may as well just drive a car then. Thats one of the biggest reasons that society is the stuffy boring existence it's become today...in the pursuit of perfection, safety, etc, we've created a lifeless boring society. Sometimes there has to be some bad with the good or life ain't worth living.
Freakin' straight up sage-in-a-cave brilliant quote there.
 

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"Problem is, people often try and make things perfect, and in the process they ruin what they loved about it in the first place. It's the quirks and things that you might feel make you less than fully comfortable that make them so thrilling. It's the IMPERFECTIONS that give you the thrill. Eliminate those things and you're in a car, so you may as well just drive a car then. Thats one of the biggest reasons that society is the stuffy boring existence it's become today...in the pursuit of perfection, safety, etc, we've created a lifeless boring society. Sometimes there has to be some bad with the good or life ain't worth living."

That's the best explanation I've heard yet of how I felt about the BMW.
 

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I don't know about "brilliant". All that was is just observations. You know it as well as I do, I just happened to be the one who said it. It really is a pet peeve of mine tho as it relates to the world today. As it relates to bikes, i don't care what anyone rides, but you sure won't catch me riding a gold wing. If you're going to ride what amounts to a car, why not get one with a roof to keep the rain out? :D
 

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I don't know about "brilliant". All that was is just observations. You know it as well as I do, I just happened to be the one who said it. It really is a pet peeve of mine tho as it relates to the world today. As it relates to bikes, i don't care what anyone rides, but you sure won't catch me riding a gold wing. If you're going to ride what amounts to a car, why not get one with a roof to keep the rain out? :D
I literally laughed out loud...and you're right...I'm not exactly a Gold Wing guy either; not much difference between a gold wing and a convertible miata, except the additional two wheels. Heck, the Gold Wing may even be as heavy, LOL. Don't get me wrong, the gold wing type bikes are very, very nice...just not MY cup of tea.
 

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Exactly the reason why I don't want to get a big honkin windscreen for my Thunderbird and instead ordered a Dart. Heck, if it doesn't work worth a darn, I don't really even care that much. I'll just have to get a better helmet than my beanie when the rains begin here on Vancouver Island to keep my face from being shredded.
 
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