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As some of you may have read on this forum, I recently sold a fairly new BMW R1200RT and bought a TBird. I did this because I have enjoyed my T100 so much since I bought it a few months ago and have been so impressed with Triumph. After my first two weeks of riding my TBird I figured I would list what I miss about my RT and what I like about the Triumph.

What I miss:
The ability to raise and lower the windshield, to totally block out the wind or let it flow.
The ability to change the suspension on the go.
My Russell Day Long seat (best seat ever made).
The wind protection of the fairing when it gets cold at night and I don't have a jacket.

What I like about the TBird:
I feel like I'm sitting on a motorcycle, riding a motorcycle vs sitting in Captain Kirk's chair guiding the starship Enterprise.

Don't get me wrong, the BMW is an unbelievable piece of machinery, it's just not what I'm looking for when I go out for a ride. I found myself getting bored when riding on a flat straight road on the BMW. On the TBird even on these roads it's fun.
 

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I feel like I'm sitting on a motorcycle, riding a motorcycle vs sitting in Captain Kirk's chair guiding the starship Enterprise.

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Yep, that's how I felt on my BMW K1200R! I used to say it was like sitting on a robot which was taking me along for a ride. "Who me, speeding? Nothing to do with me officer, it's the computer, I'm just the passenger".
 

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I never got the whole BMW, goldwing, etc etc thing. All those bikes with uber comfort and fairings, radios, all that junk....why? A car is basically the same thing with 2 more wheels. It's like you eluded to....the Tbird is a motorcycle and when you ride it thats what i sounds feels and smells like ! I don't even want a screen on mine. W/O that wind beating on me i don't feel like i'm riding a motorcycle. people bash me for wearing 1/2 or 3/4 helmets, but in a FF I feel like i'm in a car and enjoy the ride far less. The whole reason i love motorcycles is that feeling i got when i rode my first bike....the feeling like you're on a wild stallion with your whole being out in the wind, vulnerable as you may be, thats what makes them so thrilling. Like flying. Which would feel more like that, a 707 or a hang glider? the beemer is the 707. You know what the hang glider is.....you realized that when you bought the Tbird, a good move if you like motorcycles !

Problem is, people often try and make things perfect, and in the process they ruin what they loved about it in the first place. It's the quirks and things that you might feel make you less than fully comfortable that make them so thrilling. It's the IMPERFECTIONS that give you the thrill. Eliminate those things and you're in a car, so you may as well just drive a car then. Thats one of the biggest reasons that society is the stuffy boring existence it's become today...in the pursuit of perfection, safety, etc, we've created a lifeless boring society. Sometimes there has to be some bad with the good or life ain't worth living.
 

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Problem is, people often try and make things perfect, and in the process they ruin what they loved about it in the first place. It's the quirks and things that you might feel make you less than fully comfortable that make them so thrilling. It's the IMPERFECTIONS that give you the thrill. Eliminate those things and you're in a car, so you may as well just drive a car then. Thats one of the biggest reasons that society is the stuffy boring existence it's become today...in the pursuit of perfection, safety, etc, we've created a lifeless boring society. Sometimes there has to be some bad with the good or life ain't worth living.

Dazco,

Agree!!!!! How long have you had that pent up for......lol.

sgl0226,

I have both an '08 Bonneville and a '11 Storm. Wait 'till you ride both of yours back to back. Makes you appreciate them all the more. Does a bike have SOUL? Why many of us will forgo the niceties, plushness, and all the bells and whistles for a ride w/ SOUL. Lucky for us that both the Bonnie, and the Tbird have oodles of it. Almost like both bikes were dipped in a tank of it. Hard to explain until it takes your breath away, or makes you smile ear to ear.
 

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Problem is, people often try and make things perfect, and in the process they ruin what they loved about it in the first place. It's the quirks and things that you might feel make you less than fully comfortable that make them so thrilling. It's the IMPERFECTIONS that give you the thrill. Eliminate those things and you're in a car, so you may as well just drive a car then. Thats one of the biggest reasons that society is the stuffy boring existence it's become today...in the pursuit of perfection, safety, etc, we've created a lifeless boring society. Sometimes there has to be some bad with the good or life ain't worth living.

Dazco,

Agree!!!!! How long have you had that pent up for......lol.

sgl0226,

I have both an '08 Bonneville and a '11 Storm. Wait 'till you ride both of yours back to back. Makes you appreciate them all the more. Does a bike have SOUL? Why many of us will forgo the niceties, plushness, and all the bells and whistles for a ride w/ SOUL. Lucky for us that both the Bonnie, and the Tbird have oodles of it. Almost like both bikes were dipped in a tank of it. Hard to explain until it takes your breath away, or makes you smile ear to ear.
I rode the TBird last night for about an hour. Just before I got home I went past a restaurant/bar that was having a small bike night. I got home, jumped on the Bonnie and went back to the bar. Not many people there but they all had something to say about the Bonnie. What a fun night!
 

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More often than not, when I stop at a gas station or for lunch when I'm out on a ride, I get someone coming up to me with one of three reactions:

1) "Wow, I didn't realize Triumph made big cruisers like this. What a beautiful bike." or
2) " You know, I love the T-bird. It's my next bike." Or
3) "Triumph, eh? I had a Triumph way back in the <insert decade here". I loved that bike. What great times."

That's what's wonderful about having a bike like the Thunderbird. Great way to meet people!

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The only bike I've ridden that is more of a conversation starter than the T'bird was my Moto Guzzi Jackal. People also commented on my BMW RT and later on my LT, but not nearly as often as when I'm on the Thunderbird. I think a friend described it best when he first saw the Thunderbird, "Now that's what a motorcycle is supposed to look like!"

I don't think there is a bike on the planet that matches the classic lines of the Thunderbird.
 

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I think here in Los Angeles there is a far greater percentage of bikers with that snobby attitude where they want to at least PORTRAY themselves as totally uninterested in bikes besides their own. I don't hear this from others here, so it's gotta be a L.A. thing. You pull up to another bike and the guy will see the Tbird and look away so fast he almost breaks his neck, then makes sure his eyes are never pointed in the direction of my bike. Especially at bike hangouts. I pull up and it's like every eye in the place turns away. It's pretentiousness..."my bike is so fine i have no reason to look at your inferior machine". I swear it's rampant here and i find it amazing no one else notices this. Has no one seen this before? is it just L.A.? granted, i do get the occasional "wow" and "thats a beautiful bike" and all that. But mostly from people in cars or pedestrians, not bikers. there are exceptions, but it's rare.

Personally if i see a bike of any interest i am drawn to it. I don't understand how anyone wouldn't be. I saw a diavel a couple weeks ago and went up to the guy and asked him about it and had a little conversation. The Tbird is a triumph which in itself make it uncommon, then a new model, and a bike thats gotten lots of press with a ton of praise included and is to every eye that DOES venture a look a gorgeous machine. Yet nearly anyone on a bike acts as tho it's invisible. If i'm wrong about the reason for this, someone explain it to me because i can't see any other reason. Anyone in L.A. or other big cities notice this?
 

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I think here in Los Angeles there is a far greater percentage of bikers with that snobby attitude where they want to at least PORTRAY themselves as totally uninterested in bikes besides their own. I don't hear this from others here, so it's gotta be a L.A. thing. You pull up to another bike and the guy will see the Tbird and look away so fast he almost breaks his neck, then makes sure his eyes are never pointed in the direction of my bike. Especially at bike hangouts. I pull up and it's like every eye in the place turns away. It's pretentiousness..."my bike is so fine i have no reason to look at your inferior machine". I swear it's rampant here and i find it amazing no one else notices this. Has no one seen this before? is it just L.A.? granted, i do get the occasional "wow" and "thats a beautiful bike" and all that. But mostly from people in cars or pedestrians, not bikers. there are exceptions, but it's rare.

Personally if i see a bike of any interest i am drawn to it. I don't understand how anyone wouldn't be. I saw a diavel a couple weeks ago and went up to the guy and asked him about it and had a little conversation. The Tbird is a triumph which in itself make it uncommon, then a new model, and a bike thats gotten lots of press with a ton of praise included and is to every eye that DOES venture a look a gorgeous machine. Yet nearly anyone on a bike acts as tho it's invisible. If i'm wrong about the reason for this, someone explain it to me because i can't see any other reason. Anyone in L.A. or other big cities notice this?
During the past 18 years I've lived in Ohio and NC and it's nothing like that. People always say nice things about other bikes. But before Ohio I did live in LA for 11 years, and while I didn't ride back then, I think I can completely see that what you're saying makes sense.
 

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I guess that's why they call it LaLa Land. (I was born in Orange County and have lived in Bell Gardens, Whittier, San Diego, and San Francisco.) Here in Texas, I've never seen someone not interested in other peoples motorcycles. I belong to a BMW riders club because that's what I used to ride, but they were just as interested in my Tbird as they would have been if I'd rolled up on the new BMW K1600 GTL. We all just love bikes.
 

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when i ride i hardly wear a jacket because i feel like im in a car if i have a jacket on, an the most fairing i have is a little plastic thingy above my headlight that barley keeps rainwater off my gauges

i'll probably never own a full fairing bike an if i did i'd most defiantly convert it
 

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dazco here are my observations. I get a lot of great comments about my bike from pedestrians, and people who ride Japanese bikes. I have noticed though that Harley Davidson riders tend to ignore me. They look briefly at the bike, and then look away. Even if they talk to me they don't mention the bike. Sometimes you can tell by the look on their faces that they are interested, but it is almost like they can't mentally admit that to themselves, so they have to look away. It is actually quite amusing to watch. lol
 

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dazco here are my observations. I get a lot of great comments about my bike from pedestrians, and people who ride Japanese bikes. I have noticed though that Harley Davidson riders tend to ignore me. They look briefly at the bike, and then look away. Even if they talk to me they don't mention the bike. Sometimes you can tell by the look on their faces that they are interested, but it is almost like they can't mentally admit that to themselves, so they have to look away. It is actually quite amusing to watch. lol
I have noticed that with a lot of harley riders. You catch them trying to check out your bike without anyone of thier die hard harley buddies noticing. It is amusing to say the least!
I wonder what the reaction will be when I start riding the thunderbird and retire my 85 zl9 eliminator?
 

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Thats exactly what i'm talking about guys, except here it seems to happen with all riders. But the harleys guys especially. The funny thing is among HD riders they seem to be at one extreme or the other. I find most are as you say, but a few are very nice about it and come and talk to me about the bike and are very interested and complimentary. But theres no in between....they are either very interested and nice, or they are desperate to show you how infinitely uninterested thy are in your non american machine.

On a side note, i also find triumph riders to be almost as "nose in the air" about my bike as the HD guys ! They couldn't care less i'm on a triumph, especially the non cruiser guys IE: bonnies, sporties. Meridan riders....forget it ! I think they HATE anyone on a hinckley triumph i swear. A R3 or speedmaster guy might have a look but i really don't know because i've seen about 2 of them since '05 when i got my speedy !
 

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By the way, to show you how crazy this is in L.A., one of the biggest biker hangouts is the rock store. Any sat or sun there are probably a good 300 bikes there. And i kid you not, on the rare occasion i stop there i seem to be the only one there walking around looking at all the bikes. Everyone else just stands there near thier ride probably waiting for someone to comment on how nice it is. Sadly, if I don't commet on thier bike i'm afraid they are SOL cuz surely theres no one else there that will !

It's really like a meeting of the most pretentious primadonnas in Los Angeles there !
 

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I used to go to La La Land and San Francisco 5 or 6 times a year for two weeks or so. I've been to 105 countries. LA and SFO are the only cities in the world where I laughed at the culture. I'm sure there are some "regular" people in both places but I think they hide from the others. You're not riding the right bike of the month, wearing the current jeans, shirt, shoes of the month? Then you don't exist. Personally I don't want to associate with those clowns.
 

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Personally I don't want to associate with those clowns.
Trust me, I don't. If i stop at places like that, and i rarely do, it's only to see the bikes and i generally leave w/o having spoken a single word. There are a lot of amazing bikes there tho, and it's always very entertaining in that respect otherwise i would never stop there. Some of the custom bikes i've seen there are incredible.
 

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...I get a lot of great comments about my bike from pedestrians, and people who ride Japanese bikes. I have noticed though that Harley Davidson riders tend to ignore me. They look briefly at the bike, and then look away. Even if they talk to me they don't mention the bike. Sometimes you can tell by the look on their faces that they are interested, but it is almost like they can't mentally admit that to themselves, so they have to look away. It is actually quite amusing to watch. lol
That's funny...I get a lot of compliments/comments from Harley riders for the TB. I rode the TBird to Deals Gap last year and had many compliments from HD riders. What was funny is they ALL had a story (virtually the same one) from their past about a Bonnie they used to have and were more than happy to share it. I'll admit there have been the ones (but only a few) that just bestow "tolerance" for the Triumph. As one guy put it, "I can tolerate Triumph...at least GB was an ally." I will, however, say that even though I get a lot of compliments on my Kawasaki C14 also, it's never from the Harley crowd.
 

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That's funny...I get a lot of compliments/comments from Harley riders for the TB. I rode the TBird to Deals Gap last year and had many compliments from HD riders. What was funny is they ALL had a story (virtually the same one) from their past about a Bonnie they used to have and were more than happy to share it. I'll admit there have been the ones (but only a few) that just bestow "tolerance" for the Triumph. As one guy put it, "I can tolerate Triumph...at least GB was an ally." I will, however, say that even though I get a lot of compliments on my Kawasaki C14 also, it's never from the Harley crowd.
Older Harley guys that remember Triumph from the 50's through the 70's are more likely to pay their complements. It is the younger Harley riders that typically snub me.
 
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