I have the TEC Cam installed, K&N air filter, de-snorkel and x-Pipe installed...At this point, they can now tune all the watercooled bikes. You are correct on the process. It can't read the map on your bike over bluetooth, only upload to your bike.
I'm 47 reprograms into my ECU so far, it hasn't locked me out yet. Keep in mind that this can import PC-V tables, thus negating the need for one entirely. You could install it, tune your bike, get the data and sell your power commander.
Having looked at the maps for the Street Cup, without a camshaft upgrade, there is barely anything at all to be gained with a PC-V. It's camshaft limited.
It's a neat little bike. It makes over 100hp less at the wheel than my other bike, but I love it, it's a blast.ah that's right! I recall seeing your stuff. I've been following it with great interest, as my first bike was a Street Scrambler, and I really admire the Street Cup.
You ask if the bike is going to be put on the dyno to see the gains. i assume you mean hp and torque? .... forget the dyno figures. Unless you have run the bike on that dyno before and have a bench mark they mean nothing.Thanks for taking time out for the very in-depth response to all my questions, I'm going to have to go through it a few times to make sure I fully understand everything and maybe do my own reading up, I might have some more questions later if that's ok.
I presume you can download these maps to your device and play about with them offline in tune ECU just to find your way around the tables and learn how to modify the data without even connecting to the bike?
The one thing that does worry me and is probably the same for a lot of people on here is doing something irreversible to the ECU, I know there are fault codes listed that relate to the the ECU being locked. Putting aside any changes I make to the maps how foolproof is the actual process of just downloading and uploading maps to and from the ECU, have you personally heard of any horror stories. I've done it years ago on my older 06 Daytona with a cable connection but obviously these latest ecu's have a lot more security aimed at preventing customers from changing the map data, either triumphs own decision or forced on them by emissions legislation.
Out of curiosity I know you've done the majority of this work without a Dyno but do you plan on putting it on the dino now it's finished to see what gains you have made and maybe double check the afr, I know you've talked a lot about the feel and drivability of the bike and this does not always show up on the dyno.
For all we know the OP may have dyno figures before he did the tune.You ask if the bike is going to be put on the dyno to see the gains. i assume you mean hp and torque? .... forget the dyno figures. Unless you have run the bike on that dyno before and have a bench mark they mean nothing.
What i do agree on from op is that fact that it's been tuned for rideability. In my opinion thats all that matters. .i have worked my thruxton probably more than most and will be getting it on the dyno for a complete tune with tune ecu on the 8th of october.
Pretty excited to.finally get the rev limiter lifted and throttle restrictions removed .
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So let me ask... This mythical "V&H Tune" that used to exist for the Street Twin/Cup... Is there a TuneECU copy of that somewhere that I could load it? I know that the dealers no longer push it, likely because of emissions legislation... but if that tune exists, can TuneECU flash that to the bike?my one advice is despite it being bluetooth, keep your device right next to the adapter. I had two failed uploads that were both due to it being at my workbench rather than at the bike, even though the bike was next to my bench.
If you **** up, you can always put the stock tune back on it. You can work on it offline, as it is never actually reading the tune that's on it, but rather working with the file you have open on your device.
I really am the first to go about this on this platform, so no horror stories yet. Caution is required. I've been very cautious with any changes. If something says it's 20% off, don't pull 20%. Pull 2% or 4% and observe the change. Small moves only to stay safe.
Its been a few years but I have tuned a few bikes on the dyno with TuneECU. That's a good refresher though. What I am finding though, is that TuneECU doesn't have the ability to open a map and write a file to the newer Street Twins... so all I get are the basic diagnostic tools... :-(It is available but it has nothing to do with emissions. The map is 100% identical in the timing curve, 100% identical in the air fuel ratio commanded, same exact throttle mapping, same idle speeds, same crossover point for the fuel tables.
The only difference is that the fuel tables and the load tables (which correlates to fueling based on map sensor data) give a little bit more fuel in some spots, but it also takes it away in others. It's not a lot either. The key takeaway is that the timing is identical so there's not any more power. It's just that the bike ran slightly better if it had the high-level exhaust and was still using the stock tune.
Attached is the main fuel tables for each cylinder. The areas in grey are identical between the two maps. The areas in color are different between the two. But it doesn't mean that fuel is added, because in some cases fuel is also taken away.
Either way it is a net gain of zero for horsepower.
you can do better by simply going to power commanders website and downloading their power commander tables for a Street Twin with full exhaust, because at least then you'll be gaining timing as well.
How? I have the latest TuneECU app on my Android phone, I can open it and connect to the ECU just fine. There is no map button, I see no way to load or open a map, edit it, or push it to the ECU.Well considering I just posted a screenshot of me digging into a Street Twin map.......
Just remember it can't read what's actually on your bike right now. But it can push the file that you currently have open to your bike.