[Guest]

HELP
I've got an 03 TT600 which I've owned from new. When it's not cold, the bike starts without any problems.
However, when it's cold (like it is now), the bike starts, but won't tick-over properly until it's warmed up. If I don't spend 3 minutes every morning revving the bike up (6am - the neighbours love me), the engine cuts out. When it has warmed up, the engine will tick-over without any problems.
Jack Lilleys never sorted the problem out during the warranty period. I took it back to them many times. In the end, they replaced the cylinder head - which didn't make any difference whatsoever. They fobbed me off until the end of the warranty period.
The bike has had this problem from new and I'm getting a bit fed up with it now. Is it time for a CBR600?
Has anyone suffered the same problem?
Is it a DIY fix?
Many thanks for your help.
Phil

[ This message was edited by: tt600phil on 2006-11-07 02:39 ]

 

[hinkleyboy]

mine wad the same, your not touching the throttle when starting the bike are you??, have you tried using a different brand of petroll or try using super unleaded

 

[SDFOUR]

my '03 Speed Four....starts right up in cold weather... takes a very short time to warm up to temp....

I have always liked the Triumph for this reason, the other bikes I own , especially the Harley are not good starts in cold weather.

 

[yipes_stripes]

I have to go through the open the tank method on reallly cold days. If I do this the speed four starts fine - have you tried this?

 

[johnnycactus]

i was just thinking today how nicely the s4 starts in the cold. the t3 took some fiddling with the choke, but s4- first hit of the button. let her get up to 42oc and off we go.

had to do a quick dash across the site at work this afternoon, didn't give it a chance to get off LO and was a bit lumpy.

others will correct me or offer further insight, but i believe as jack lilleys have failed to remedy an unacceptable problem that has been brought to their attention and documented, then the warranty expiring should NOT mean a 'cased closed- next time you pay' scenario.
the problem was brought to their attention during the warranty, thats your side done. if they take too long sorting it- not your prob.

my usual start up is- turn on, engine prime, computer wake up, hit the button, don't touch throttle, wheel out of garage, finish smoke, ear plugs in,lid on, gloves on, ready to roll.
this time of year? 2 mins tops. no constant revving.

hopefully someone may have an eaiser remedy/idea of fault rather than the tiresome ordeal of going back again to the dealer.

 

[Rik]

Are you saying in the summer it starts from cold and idles fine but when the temperature falls in autumn/winter, it won't idle right?
Is it only in the cold weather you have the problem?

Off topic - I understand how you feel about Jack Lilley - I also had warranty problems with them which they failed to resolve (and charged me for the honour ) whilst the bike was under warranty.
I had a frank discussion with the service manager but only managed to get a shrug out of him. Wrote letter of complaint and got a useless response.
I still use them for spares and bits as they are only a couple of miles away from my home, but I now travel miles 40+ miles for any servicing as Jack Lilley are never touching my bike again and I certainly won't buy a bike from them again.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for all your advice.
Yes, it's only in the cold weather that I have the problem.
In the summer, it starts from cold and idles fine but when the temperature falls in autumn/winter, it won't idle right.
It idles fine when the bike is up to temperature, in hot weather or cold weather.
This morning (6am - it was quite cold) I opened the tank and tried starting the bike with no throttle.
The bike fired, but then just cut out as soon as I let go of the starter button. I tried about 5 times, but the***** just won't idle. I resort to trying to keep the revs constant on the throttle (about 2,000 rpm because of the neighbours), but it's difficult - a momentary lapse of concentration and it cuts out again. Arghhh. And then to start it again, you need to give it a bit of welly on the throttle, then try to keep it constant (because it's very lumpy), then lower the revs because of the neighbours, then .... you get the picture.
I don't believe it is 'technique', as the bike before this one was also a TT600 (one of the first). I owned that for 3 years and never had a single problem with it. Starting was never a problem, even in really cold weather. Why did I trade it in !!!
I won't go into detail here (believe me, I could write a book on my experience with JL's), but I will not be using JL's again. Rik - I would be interested as to where you get your bike serviced now.
Apart from using different petrol (which I will try, but again - I would have expected the same problem with my previous TT600), I don't know what else to try.
I guess I still think it's a technical fault with the bike.
Any more ideas greatfully received.
Cheers,
Phil

 

[Rik]

Phil - I'll have a look through the Service Manual tonight to see if it reveals any magical advice on your stalling problem.

I really can't work Jack Lilley out. International customers buying parts seem to come out of the experience happy, but if you set foot in their showroom to ask them actually fix your bike, they seem to turn into a bunch of (#^7s and hand it back to you in the same state!

I haven't had a major service since my Jack Lilley saga but have visited both Carl Rosner and Haslemere Motorcycles to check them out as I'm about to hit the 12K mark. Both seem decent outfits. My preference is probably Carl Rosner as I always hear good things about them.

 

[Dabz]

probably no help whatsoever, but mine always starts 1st time. started it tonight after it's sat for over 2 weeks, and it was freezing cold tonight. 1st time start same as it would in the summer

 

[hinkleyboy]

get a dealer to check the CO on the bike and did/does it have a race can fitted if so it might need a remap

 

[Guest]

Hi There,

Sorry to hear about your cold starting problem!

Get CO and throttle bodies checked and balance if needed see if that cures the problem.

Evil_Spud_tt600

 

[Zephod]

I was having a similar problem with my brand new S4. My dealer was also no help. I found a solution that was posted in the Speedfour.org site. See if this works for you:

Make sure the key is in the off position then turn the kill switch on and off several times. Next, with the kill switch is in the on position, turn the key on and start the bike. This worked for me. I also notices that the owner manual says not to use the kill switch except for emergencies. Perhaps using the kill switch on a regular basis screws something up in the electronics.

Someone else suggested pulling the No. 5 fuse then re-inserting it (with key off, of course). I didn't try that idea as the first suggestion worked for me. It was also suggested that the problem may be a sticky relay somewhere.

 

[Will]

I just got thinking about this problem again over the weekend. The 2000 TT600 I had for a while had 16k miles on it, and it developed a cold start problem. The engine had gotten badly carboned up somehow. I got it with about 15K miles on it, and I guess the previous owner hadn't flogged it enough. If you don't really wind them out periodically, they silt up pretty badly and it causes that kind of problem. I ended up dumping a whole lot of injector cleaner through the system and that helped a lot.

 

[Rik]

Nothing much in the manual about starting problems during cold months.

Best matching symptom I can find is
<UL>
<LI>Bike will start but cuts out immediately
[/list]
Possible causes listed are:
<UL>
<LI>IACV Stepper Motor Stuck
<LI>One way valve inside pipe from throttle bodies to IACV sticking
[/list]
You're not far from me and I've got Tuneboy (diagnostics should work on any SAGEM FI Triumph) and a CO meter which you are welcome to use if you venture near my neck of he woods.