[mglemans86]

When the 05 Sprint goes in for the recall stuff I going to have a TOR installed. I'd like to hear comments from those who have the TOR.

Any before and after dynos?

Thanks

Kevin

 

[ventur4th]

We've covered that topic recently and there is a good amount of info available - do a search or look through the last few pages.

 

[KevyKev]

I have not been able to find/hear a good comparison audio clip between the two yet. Like 'before' and 'after'. Maybe you could post this before and after yours is done????

Kevin

 

[ventur4th]

I ordered the TOR silencer recently and it should be here next week. I'd be happy to get some sound clips posted but I'm not sure how to do it. What does one use to record it,
and how do I get it posted? Could I use a digital camera in movie mode?

 

[86gn]

It makes some nice sounds, I think its a little louder than my 01 with the carbon Triumph can.
I didn't notice a big difference in power but my butt dyno might be a little off.
The dealer put the 20107 tune in because he said it didn't have SAI. I knew better and brought it home and removed it and plugged the holes. It burbled and popped quite a bit before I took it off but its OK now.
The biggest improvement is in the heat reduction.

 

[gavinb]

I have the TOR on my 05/06 sprint and really happy with it. Not too much difference at low revs, but when you want to overtake it sounds great.
PS I dont like really load pipes.
Cheers Gavin.

 

[BMWK100]

I met a guy with the TOR exhaust this weekend at a Triumph function. When he rode off I was not impressed with the sound of it. (At least not $600+ worth of sound) I ride with some BMW guys and the Staintune sounds great. I had a Remus on my old BMW bike and that sounded real nice too. I also don't like extremely loud pipes, but I would like to noticeable growl for that price.

 

[ST]

I am happy with my TOR, mainly because it is not designed to look 'bling' like some aftermarket add ons.
The sound it gives is louder than stock but not intrusive.
It gives a noticeable performance improvement and after all the ST is a sports tourer not a track day tool.
The fit and finish is 100% triumph unlike some non triumph add ons so the TOR in my opinion is a subtle modification that works well on UK roads and does not attract unwanted attention.
So if you are a 'im noisy so i must be faster than you.... look at me ride' dont bother.

 

[ufosprint]

I have before, during , and after the TOR swap on video. The during is wild, this thing sounds mean un-corked. If you want to hear before and after, PM me with your e-mail address and I'll send it your way.

 

[Ara]

I'm quite happy with my TOR. First of all, the slight hesitation at 3k is gone. No hesitation anywhere in the RPM range.
Also the reprogramming must enrich the fuel mixture as the lean popping when backing off throttle is gone.
It isn't much louder than stock which is fine with me as I live in SoCal and don't want to be hassled by the illegal exhaust cops. I doubt I'll ever be hassled about the noise. I don't want a loud exhaust anyway.

Ara

 

[H2Orat]

+1

I have the TOR and love it! As others have noted, in conjunction with the EFI remap, it increases power and response, emits less heat (makes for a happier pillion), is discreet since it looks no different than a stock can, and oh yeah... it sounds fantastic! BTW, also already noted, it's not offensively loud, so you won't attract unwanted attention. It's not that cheap, but I think well worth the cost. If I had to, I'd do it again!

 

[keo1050]

Go for it. You will be well pleased I am sure. Worth every penny in my humble opinion. My friend has a BMW K1200R with the Remus can and HE says the Triumph has a better exhaust note.

 

[WhoMe]

I recently put on the Triumph CC can. It doesn't sound significantly different at low RPM but you can definitely hear the difference as you lay on the throttle. Decel pop is almost nonexistant (I kinda miss it...) and there's a (perceived?) difference in throttle response. Kinda pricey but I like it. :-D

 

[H2Orat]

On 2007-02-28 19:36, WhoMe wrote:
I recently put on the Triumph CC can. Decel pop is almost nonexistant (I kinda miss it...) and there's a (perceived?) difference in throttle response. Kinda pricey but I like it. :-D

I don't understand why there are mixed results with the TOR can when it comes to the decel popping. Because I ordered the bike with the optional can (and EFI remap), I have no experience with the stock version, so I can't make a comparison. What I can say is I get the popping on decel along with the gurgle (usually at partial throttle), yet I've read several other reports where it's eliminated once the stock can's been replaced with the TOR unit. Is it a matter of degree? If so, I think the stock setup would be OTT with decel noises as I consider what I get on mine just about perfect. Why isn't everyone getting the same results? I've read that there have been several (?) updates to the remapping program; would this explain the difference? BTW, I don't want to lose the popping/gurgle: it's music to my ears! :-D

 

[ventur4th]

Some of the tunes disable the SAI system and eliminate the pop-gurgle noises and some do not. Do some searching on this subject and you'll find posts that contain tune numbers.

 

[H2Orat]

On 2007-03-01 11:05, ventur4th wrote:
Some of the tunes disable the SAI system and eliminate the pop-gurgle noises and some do not. Do some searching on this subject and you'll find posts that contain tune numbers.

Hi ventur4th,

Yeah, I've seen these referenced in past postings and realize that Triumph may still be fine-tuning the maps, but I'm still confused as to why the SAI would be disabled in some cases but not in others? I wonder if because of the significantly more stringent emission standards, CA has drastically different maps than the rest of us. But if I understand this correctly, the SAI (along with a lean mix) is responsible for the popping and since my 49-state TOR-equipped bike is popping, the system hasn't been disabled, although the fuel mix has still been enriched. So that contradicts what I figured to be the case. Still confused...

 

[86gn]

Find out which tune the dealer put in. Some mechanics are putting in the wrong tune.
If they use the tune that disables the SAI then you will have lots of popping on decel and even in between shifts. In that case it would be best to plug the SAI holes.

 

[ventur4th]

The SAI (Secondary Air Injection) actually has nothing to do with the fueling itself. It's a completely seperate system. Fresh air from your airbox is introduced into your exhaust ports to assist in a more complete combustion of unburnt gasses, hence cleaner emissions. An electricaly activated valve on your air box recieves a signal from your ECU during decelleration and opens, allowing fresh air to be scavenged through the distribution tubes, past the reed plates and into the exhaust ports. Yes, it does sound like a lean condition!
Normal default position for the valve on the airbox is closed. If one were to disable the SAI by way of the ECU, or defeat the system by plugging the lines, it will eliminate the pop/gurgle noises.
I think, and some one please correct me if I'm wrong, but the only difference in the CA bikes is the evaporative canister.
FYI: if you disable the SAI, your exhaust tips get dirty.
Hope some of this helps!

 

[86gn]

Correct me if I'm wrong but someone on this board said if the SAI is disabled it will remain open. The 20107 tune is for a bike without SAI. This was discussed a couple months ago. If you run with the SAI disabled when the bike was originally equipped with it you will start to run richer and eventually have a check engine light.
Just trying to clarify this not start an argument. My dealer said he has never seen a bike with SAI so I don't trust what he says.

 

[H2Orat]

So before downloading the 20107 tune, the SAI would have to be physically disabled? Just curious. In my case, the popping isn't at all excessive: in fact to me, it's perfect so I'm going to leave it alone. I'm under the impression that once you update the EFI, there's no turning back, and I like it the way it is: I don't feel any lack of performance or responsiveness anywhere in the powerband, so I'm thinking the only thing a new download would address would be the elimination of the popping. My only concern is the overly-rich condition 86gn mentioned: wouldn't this have already manifested itself in 4K miles of use? To date, there's been no check engine light... ever. I'm thinking my set-up is good: I took delivery in May of '06, so I'm confident that Triumph had it pretty well sorted by then. Thanks for the info. though! :chug: