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Thanks for the input. Will be test riding within a week or two, already kicked the tires.

Main decision maker will be feel or ergonomics. How about the T-Bird/Rocket classes and/or overall Triumph reliability.

I viewed the Triumph special on HDnet network and was impressed.

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Yes the Triumph Special was impressive but nothing will sell you on a TBird more than a test ride. As far as ergonomics go, I will tell you that when I first rode the bike it became evident that I needed my bars a little wider and farther back so I swapped the stock bars for the wide bars and that did the trick. The other bars(tt bars) dont change the original ergos much. Also adding floor boards and heel shifter helped me as well. I am 6'.
 

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Yadee yar dar ---Jeez you go on like a knob Jockey . what do you want everyone to say , Yeh you have the greatest bike

Start with you tell the guy not to listen to anyone who says they have no problems because there defending there bike ect ect . I'm telling you i've had NO PROBLEMS i ride with 2 other rocket riders and ONE did have a problem , i did'nt deny there was apparantly some problems with earlier bikes , because THERE WAS . I was just stating they apparantly seem to have been FIXED , Most who had the paint tin rattle seemed to have it in the 2005 to 2007 models AND TRIUMPH FIXED THEM .

Now i mentioned a couple of pissant little recall issues on the T Bird to illustrate how little problems they have had UP TILL NOW i hav'nt even had the coolant leak problem on mine , The guy is after info and has been told and is fully aware that the early rockets had problems but it does'nt seem like the later models are having them .

Now the T Bird like i said its early days yet , who knows given a few more riders start getting HIGH MILEAGE or they have a couple of years off selling them they MIGHT or MIGHT not develop a few teething problems . Given that he is looking at buying a NEW Rocket it seems most problems have been identified ,and fixed

The T bird at the moment does'nt apear to have any but like i said ITS EARLY DAYS .

So get of your high horse mate , there both good bikes but just because you own one don't neccesary make the t bird the only trouble free bike .

So all in all the rocket DID have a inherent problem but it seems to have been fixed .

The t bird well has its getting more popular , there seems to be more and more complaints about comfort , the suspension being harsh can bounce you out of the seat , the seat being has hard has a brick , the leaning forward with the handle bars gives people a bad back .

All easy fixed , All GENUINE problems but can be fixed BY SPENDING DOLLARS to make it more comfortable , have you told him that . . . not too mention the headlight is no better than a torch , so yeh mate the T bird is a great all round bike but its got issues wether its comfort or the headlight being out and out dangerous in rural settings through lack of light . but heh you have one so you can't forewarn him can you .

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Look, i'm not trying to start something here, i'm simply giving him the facts about the R3 IN GENERAL as we know them so he can make an educated decision. You are giving him the facts about YOUR bike and in doing so trying to show him how reliable they are. Has nothing to do with my point, which was a simple and true answer to his problem. As to the Tbird, fair enough. But understand that there are plenty of guys in the 20k range now and so far nothing. like i said, triumph said they put more R&D into this bike than any other and it shows. If there were serious issues i'd think they'd have shown up by now, but not one i have seen. yes, they could have some issue that only shows up after high mileage. But so far the fact is they are dead reliable. I could tell him that it's possible something could happen, but nothing has so theres nothing to talk about. the roadster could have new potential issues too, but again, theres nothing to talk about. whats the point? Lets talk about what we know...R3 has had several very serious issue, Tbird has not. Thats fact, thats what he needs to know. Don't confuse him.
 

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Bondage , the big one you have to do your homework on with the rockets is the dreaded paint can rattle , apparantly it was a serious problem with earlier models . but from what i gather even though they did'nt issuer a recall Triumph fixed most under warranty .

I answered you on the other post , and did say if i was to get rid of one of mine i iit would be the T bird , and that would be based purely and honestly because the RT3 is more comfortable . Tourque and the power are great , but oppossed to that the T bird is a easier bike to handle .
My keeping the rocket would only be because 95% of my riding is rural riding , i stay away from heavy traffic i don't commute on the bike i just ride every spare minuite i get .

But thats not too say if i was to be honest that it does'nt worry me if i'm going to have problems because it does , I often think to myself shall i get rid of it now while its running good , because its out of warranty and if it develops the problems there famous for well i'm going to be out of pocket BIG TIME , BUT THEN I THINK OFF HOW COMFORTABLE IT IS , THE POWER , THE TORQUE AND DECIDE TO RUN THE RISK.

Now if you want the honest opinion , if i was to start again, with no bike just going out to buy a bike and own one only . Without a doubt , i would go straight for the T bird because theres NO issues we know off , great bike , handles well , lots of power .

But and theres always a but , because most of my riding is long rides , generally 100-200 mile whenever i go out i would think COMFORT ,

Here in Aust we don't have the se model they refused to bring it in for unknown reasons , so i would have to go buy everything has an accesorie ther lies the problem for me . the cost of a triumph t bird with Abs . then the cost of , accesories to get the bike really comfortable , risers , longhaul seat , footboards , windscreen , . brings the bike up to the same price has a new 103 engine road king , then the road king gives you bags cruise control ect ect .

Triumph T bird for local traveling just standard , = best value bike on the road .

For touring , with all the accessories , having to be paid for on top of your purchase price , still a great bike but theres other choices .

Thats about has unbiased has i can be .

cheedrs good luck
 

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Coneye/all

Thanks for feedback.
I will be occasionally be commuting 20 miles each way, 50/50 country road and small city suburban type road. I'll be doing occasional 100 mile or so trip to Northern New England.
I think either bike would handle well.

The bike I choose will need to last me a while because I'll doing alot of work the next few years to my property. Money will be tight then.

I love both bikes on paper. Next week test rides will tell me what feels right.

T-Bird seems to not push the envelope as far as extreme performance while still remain very competent.

R3 seems to push the envelope as far as performance goes, horsepower torque etc. This is one of its sales pitches.
My concerns are that this type of engine, transmission needs to be able to sustain extreme conditions for extended periods of time.
If this motorcycle were a truck it needs to be a F-350 from bumper to bumper. Not a F-350 with a F-150 transmission or some other light duty sub-system.
I just want to hedge my bets by asking the un-popular questions like are there any major problems, what are they, have they been addressed by Triumph and do they still exist in 2009, 10, 11 models?

Everybody who has replied to my questions has been helpful, thanks again.
 

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Speaking of that, and I'm certainly not saying the R3 isn't stout, but the Tbird is supposedly over engineered even more that the R3. When it first came out there were stories about how beefy the crank and clutch were. Then a triumph mechanic who'd been to the Tbird classes triumph provides to the mechanics in the dealer network said in a post at another forum that the Tbird crankshaft and clutch are actually beefier than the R3. I'm not making that up. If you want to search the Tbird1600 forum the post is in there somewhere. The tranny is also a new different gear type which is why every review so far mentions how quiet and smooth it shifts.
 

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The great thing about Triumph is that they basically have a class leader in most bike categories.

Daytona 675r - best middleweight street
Street Tripe R - best middleweight naked
Speed Triple - best street-fighter
Thunderbird - best cruiser
Rocket 3 - in it's own class/best bruiser cruiser
Bonnie - most authentic classic
And the awesome Tiger 800.
 

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I would love to see back to back dyno comparisons with the Hogslayers and the short TOR's.

I don't want eliminate my cats but I would like to see what real world hp numbers you would gain.
All you will get here is a 'seat of the pants' dyno test. I do know that one or two of the posters here run short TORS with the cat and complain about fuel mileage. That coupled with their tune will account for that. I have the HogSlayers and consistently average 45-47 mpg. The only truly noticeable difference will be a 1600 vs 1700. Anything else is going to be 1-2 hp and that won't be noticeable at the throttle. Fuel economy on the other hand can be felt at the wallet.
 

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ll you will get here is a 'seat of the pants' dyno test. I do know that one or two of the posters here run short TORS with the cat and complain about fuel mileage. That coupled with their tune will account for that.
I assume i'm one of those, but check this out. When i recently decided to put the seat duct back on my mileage has been up back to almost where it was as a 1600. I got 42 last time i checked ! Thats actually as good as i got as a 1600, but i think that was due to the riding situation that day. but i have been hitting 40 for the last couple or 3 tanks. And i'm running a custom tune, so theres a chance if i went back to the stock 1700/tors tune i'd do even better. It's not the tors either, as i have been using those for a long time and i never saw any mileage difference between those, the long tors, or the stocks all with thier corresponding tunes. The mileage variations i have been getting i now know are almost all if not all due to the seat duct being off.
 

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It's not the tors either, as i have been using those for a long time and i never saw any mileage difference between those, the long tors, or the stocks all with thier corresponding tunes. The mileage variations i have been getting i now know are almost all if not all due to the seat duct being off.
So if I'm reading this right, there is no fuel mileage difference between stock pipes and long or short TORS. That would mean my fuel mileage gained by installing the HogSlayers and the TORS tune would make them a better choice for someone that wants performance and economy. Correct?
 

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I sometimes wish I had got a Rocket , then I ride one and remeber why I didnt buy one in the first place. If I was over there in the States Id have a Rocket for going places . Interstate stuff for sure.

Ive got a Roadster for a day next Thursday that should be fun. If I live long enough to take it back to the dealer . Funny my bro had the roadster for a day too while some warrentee work was being done , the engine fell off or something cant remeber, and he hated the Roadster so Im looking forward to finding out for myself.
 

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So if I'm reading this right, there is no fuel mileage difference between stock pipes and long or short TORS. That would mean my fuel mileage gained by installing the HogSlayers and the TORS tune would make them a better choice for someone that wants performance and economy. Correct?
If they typically do, yes. You're the 1st i've heard say that tho. And of course you have to weight all details because there are several differences between them.
 

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I rode the roadster for a few hours and AWSOME , it was easier to throw around than my RT3 and FUUUUN to ride , , would i have one has a only bike,,,,, NO ,,,,,to big and would'nt be a comfortable tourer .

But yesterday i was in my dealers and sat on a storm . The handlebar setup changed it completly , the salesmen said the 1700 is a BIG difference , they did'nt have a demo . But when they get one i'm going ride it .

For me if them handlebars make it has comfy has the rt3 , and the 1700 makes it has tourquy has they claim .

Then the Storm would have to be the way to go with a few extras like screen long haul saet bags .

You seriously would have the one bike does all . a reasl mean street machine , with a couple of clicks turned into a tourer

I could be going down that road after i've test road one . would have to change the paint job though , blacks too fast ha ha
 

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Even the 1700 is going to leave you wanting more compared to the r3. Short TORs and dizze's custom map will make it much better, but still you aren't going to feel it's real close to any R3, probably even your R3T. Why don't you just put storm risers/bars on yours and get it BB'd?
 

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Even the 1700 is going to leave you wanting more compared to the r3. Short TORs and dizze's custom map will make it much better, but still you aren't going to feel it's real close to any R3, probably even your R3T. Why don't you just put storm risers/bars on yours and get it BB'd?
Thought about it and it makes sence , but unfortunatly we live in Aust and get our backsides slapped every time we go near a dealer .
Do'nt know the price of the bars but i would'nt imagine the storm bars and longer cables along with the bb kit would see me with much change out of 35000-4000 dollars ,

The power well to be honest its great but i would be lying if i said i use it , I think its more the tourque i like about the rt3 , and the effortless cruising at just all so slightly on the open roads but i think thats more to do with the comfort the screen gives me .

I'm getting soft , if its going to be long days , on speeds above 60 mph I WANT MY SCREEN HA ha :D
 

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Well yeah, torque is what i meant. It is definitely a good bit better on the 1700 than the 1600, but still not gonna be too close to the R3. especially the R3T with it's bigger torque than the standard.
 
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