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I'm looking to purchase either a 2010-11 T-Bird BB or Storm or maybe Rocket Roadster. Feedback, advice from owners would would really help me make my decision.

I have ridden standard bikes as well as sport tourers in the past. I do prefer a upright, slightly laid back riding postion.

I'm going to test drive all as well as maybe a Fatboy/Bob just for laughs.

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Do you have any specific questions? I can tell you I love the bike, and that it is is absolutely the best bike I have ever owned, but that doesn't really tell you anything. What is it that you want to know?
 

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I can offer my opinion on the R3 vs the Bird, tho i rode the regular R3. From what i have read at the R3 forums tho, the roadster dispute the bigger numbers doesn't perform as well as the discontinued regular R3. But in any case, If i had to recommend one or the other to you my answer would be is huge power and speed are of utmost importance to you, get the roadster. If not i'd strongly suggest the bird. Some reasons are subjective, some are not. The Tbird is almost w/o a doubt the best handling cruiser on the planet. There are sportbikes guys who have ridden or bought one and said it's in the same league aside from peg clearance, which isn't a big deal except in very slow speed corners. I've heard bonnie and even thruxton owners say thier new Tbird handles better. I'm here to telly you after 15000 miles, they aren't exaggerating. So handling is a huge plus IMO. There are a lot more reasons, but i'll leave it at that because a lot of it is subjective. Handling isn't, the bird is superior there. Get the R3 if power and speed are more important to you than anything else, otherwise get the Tbird.

I will say one last thing....there is something very special about this bike that you really can't put your finger on. But it's a special machine that just makes you feel like everything is so in balance, and i think everyone here will agree.
 

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You need to ride the bikes and make the decision yourself. I love my SE, but the Heritage Softail that I sold was much more comfortable on long rides. My chopper was the most fun ride, but anything with a 120 cc motor is fun. Ultimately the choice needs to be yours because we all hold a bias toward what we ride.
 

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Thanks for the input. Will be test riding within a week or two, already kicked the tires.

Main decision maker will be feel or ergonomics. How about the T-Bird/Rocket classes and/or overall Triumph reliability.

I viewed the Triumph special on HDnet network and was impressed.

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I will say one last thing....there is something very special about this bike that you really can't put your finger on. But it's a special machine that just makes you feel like everything is so in balance, and i think everyone here will agree.
That pretty much sums it up. It's the total package. It isn't like there is any one thing that stands out, but the overall machine is just fantastic.
 

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When i got my Tbird i expected it to handle corners like a boat but it corners gracefully albeit as dazco said you tend to scrape the pegs sometimes. my Tbird is more torquey than speedy but having said that has more than enough top end to lose your licence and cop a big fine. like the other blokes have said at the end of the day its your choice, but the Tbird is every thing i want / need in a bike. as for reliability so far so good but only time will tell.
 

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How about the T-Bird/Rocket classes and/or overall Triumph reliability.
Well, this becomes a hot topic if any R3 guys read this, so i hope they don't. many of them refuse to acknowledge that there have been several serious engine issues with them, but there have and it's documented at some of the R3 forums. I'm not sure whether any of them still exist or not but some of them seem to have prevailed thru at least the 1st 3 or 4 years of production. It's one of the things that scared me away from R3 ownership when i was looking into them before the bird came out.

On the Tbird side, it's had a few very minor issues which i believe have all been rectified. In fact, triumph stated they put more R&D time into this bike than any other, and i think the results speak for themselves. Not only has the bike been praised at every turn in every review, but for a new model it's amazing how there really haven't been any bugs to speak of other than a few coolant leak issues that were quickly fixed.

Triumph reliability in general is great. In case you didn't realize it, I believe triumph is the only motorcycle company in the last few years that has continually increased thier production and continued to grow, while others have stagnated or lost ground. Theres a reason for that. They've been designing highly praised and award winning reliable bikes one after another, the Tbird being on of the latest. assuming the R3's issues were all rectified, you can't go wrong with either bike. But as i said, they each have a different purpose.
 

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I agree with Dazco on his responses and I'll only add is when you test ride them try some low speed parking lot stuff with both. You'll encounter this with any bike you ride. Good luck on YOUR decision, BTW I'd pick the Triumph.
 

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All good advice above but it all comes down to the test ride.
I was considering the HD options you were as well they not even close to the "bird".
 

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Well, this becomes a hot topic if any R3 guys read this, so i hope they don't. many of them refuse to acknowledge that there have been several serious engine issues with them, but there have and it's documented at some of the R3 forums. I'm not sure whether any of them still exist or not but some of them seem to have prevailed thru at least the 1st 3 or 4 years of production. It's one of the things that scared me away from R3 ownership when i was looking into them before the bird came out.

On the Tbird side, it's had a few very minor issues which i believe have all been rectified. In fact, triumph stated they put more R&D time into this bike than any other, and i think the results speak for themselves. Not only has the bike been praised at every turn in every review, but for a new model it's amazing how there really haven't been any bugs to speak of other than a few coolant leak issues that were quickly fixed.

Triumph reliability in general is great. In case you didn't realize it, I believe triumph is the only motorcycle company in the last few years that has continually increased thier production and continued to grow, while others have stagnated or lost ground. Theres a reason for that. They've been designing highly praised and award winning reliable bikes one after another, the Tbird being on of the latest. assuming the R3's issues were all rectified, you can't go wrong with either bike. But as i said, they each have a different purpose.
Any specific years for R3 engine flaws? I'm looking at 2010-11. I poked around the Rocket Science to no avail. Do you have any specific serious engine flaws I could search for? Just want to do my homework prior to buy, not trying to cause a stir.
 

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Got to r3owners.net or r3owners.com. I can't recall which, but one of them had long threads about some serious issues. I don't recall exactly what they were, as this was 4-5 years ago. But one was i think a cam chain issue. When i rode one i notice an issue a lot of guys have.....pop it into first, go to take off and it pops out. Hopefully that one was fixed because that was a major pain even just on my demo ride ! They had a fair number of transmission issues too. Not rampant, but more than a few guys had to have thier cases split to fix it.

Just go sign up and ask. You will get some guys telling you they never had issues.....ignore them because they are the ones that have so much pride they ignore the truth. Some will tell you tho. Just don't get caught up in the BS and don't tell them to come over here and look at this thread ! The last thing i want is to get into another flame war. I'm just trying to tell you what you need to know. I think you'd do best to start a thread and don't ASK if there were problems, just tell them you know that there have been issues with the first several years of production and ask whether any of those issues exist in the latest model, the roadster. That way i think you'll bypass the BS and get to the one point YOU NEED to know....whether the new roadster has inherited any issues. The past isn't of any importance to you so you don't want to get them to start a pissing match about how many issues they did or didn't have
 

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I took the Thunderbird for a demo ride and then an HD Fatbob the following week. Handling wasn't even any comparison. I will certainly be getting the Thunderbird. Just want to hear what the short pipes sound like on it first.
 

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I got the short TOR's in large part due to the rampant praise of one said individual /\ /\ above. He was right the sound is perfect and I much prefer the way they look on the bike. I can't comment on if there was a performance change as I picked the bike up at the dealers with them on.

I believe Dazco had the longs on first and was able to notice an performance improvement and a smoothing out of the engine.

Glad I got mine.
 

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I took the Thunderbird for a demo ride and then an HD Fatbob the following week. Handling wasn't even any comparison. I will certainly be getting the Thunderbird. Just want to hear what the short pipes sound like on it first.
Check out the BC HogSlayers. They remove the cat and let the bike breathe better. Short TORS keep the cat and the restricted breathing.
 

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I would love to see back to back dyno comparisons with the Hogslayers and the short TOR's.

I don't want eliminate my cats but I would like to see what real world hp numbers you would gain.
 

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Got to r3owners.net or r3owners.com. I can't recall which, but one of them had long threads about some serious issues. I don't recall exactly what they were, as this was 4-5 years ago. But one was i think a cam chain issue. When i rode one i notice an issue a lot of guys have.....pop it into first, go to take off and it pops out. Hopefully that one was fixed because that was a major pain even just on my demo ride ! They had a fair number of transmission issues too. Not rampant, but more than a few guys had to have thier cases split to fix it.

Just go sign up and ask. You will get some guys telling you they never had issues.....ignore them because they are the ones that have so much pride they ignore the truth. Some will tell you tho. Just don't get caught up in the BS and don't tell them to come over here and look at this thread ! The last thing i want is to get into another flame war. I'm just trying to tell you what you need to know. I think you'd do best to start a thread and don't ASK if there were problems, just tell them you know that there have been issues with the first several years of production and ask whether any of those issues exist in the latest model, the roadster. That way i think you'll bypass the BS and get to the one point YOU NEED to know....whether the new roadster has inherited any issues. The past isn't of any importance to you so you don't want to get them to start a pissing match about how many issues they did or didn't have
Err not entirly correct . My rt3 issues have been

1 --- Tyre recall , triunph changed the tyres

2 ---- Was hard to find neutral , a fellow rider looked at it turned the knob thing on my clutch cable smiled at me and said there you are FIXED , and IT WAS

3 ---- Clutch cable snapped at 20,000 klm , and the reason, i put new risers on and the cable was stretched to the limit with just a bit too much strain , .. Dealer fitted the risers so out of good will he replaced the cable FREE OF CHARGE

other than that 27,000 klm of trouble free riding , i ride with 2 other rockets .

1 mate--- he done 50,000 plus klm no problems and traded for a victory , but now misses the torque and power

Mate 2 --- He got to 49,000 klm and 5 months out of warranty , developed a seroios problem , Triumph fixed it out of warranty because they were aware of the problem .

He was so impressed he asked for a trade in price while it was being fixed and on the floor in peices has if it had no problem and traded it in on the new model . They gave him a better price than what they were offering me on mine against another one . Talk about backing your product and your customer .

Thunderbird .

1 ,,,, seat recall ,,,

2,,,,, front mudguard recall

3 .... Got a staple in the back tyre last week , Trying to find away to blame them , but the head mechanic has politly told me to get %%$%%...

Noissues , no reason to deny i own both so not getting into any my bikes better than your bike crap .

I believe the issues were there with the early bikes and have mainly been resolved .

I also believe the T bird is to young for any major issues to be common yet .

Both great bikes ,

I cannot pick a winner in them , to be honest i keep saying i need to get rid of one , but i just cannot decide which one
 

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Wait....because YOUR bike has been good they all have? How do you figure? Yes, there are plenty of people w/o the issues, but the fact yours has been good isn't the point and has nothing to do with what he wants to know which is has either bike been problematic to an abnormal degree. For the sake of argument, if there were 50% who had all the issues, that would still leave hundreds of online R3 forum members to speak up about how reliable thier bike has been. But that would leave 50% chance for the guy to buy a R3 and be sorry he did. whats the point? That doesn't help him determine if they are problematic to any degree worth worrying about and affecting his decision.

Now the tbird recalls have been a set of screws, and the difference between them and the new ones is the new ones have threadlocker on them ! not exactly the paint can rattle or tranny issues that have caused an inordinate number of R3 owners to have thier engines torn down ! The seat recall....a little metal bracket that if not changed could wear on the fender paint under the set. Why would you mention these?!! Lets get real ! Now there HAS been 1 real issue....coolant issue. And it's one that took a simple gasket to fix under warranty and didn't even leak but a few drops. People rode like that w/o losing coolant level. But i will concede it was an isse. One that has since been rectified too unlike the R3 issues because they were serious to a point triumph couldn't get them fixed for several models years, and I don't know if they even have been yet.

Now in reality i'm not sure of the percentage, but it has been inordinate. Show me a thread on ANY other triumph where some one started to ask all people with issue X to chime in and so many people did the thread was many pages long. You can't. But there are with the R3 at one of those forums i mentioned, and like i said these issue ARE documented here too. And don't ask me to search thru the forums and show you. If you want the truth, you can do that. I'm just the messenger. And also note that the point here and the question is whether the newest gen has any of these issue, not whether the past models did. He's looking to buy new, not used.

anyways, heres a guy looking to see if either bike has had serious issues so he can make a decision. Your post doesn't address his question, it only confuses it. Lets give him the truth here, not turn it into a thread about how great your particular bike has been. We could find hundreds like you, but thats not the point....the point is percentages. I expect all the other R3 guys will soon join in and at that point i'm done in this thread because i've had this argument with them before and it's senseless and useless.
 

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I got the short TOR's in large part due to the rampant praise of one said individual /\ /\ above. He was right the sound is perfect and I much prefer the way they look on the bike. I can't comment on if there was a performance change as I picked the bike up at the dealers with them on.

I believe Dazco had the longs on first and was able to notice an performance improvement and a smoothing out of the engine.

Glad I got mine.
I did have the long tors, and them made no noticeable improvement. Later i got the shorts and was very happy and surprised to find they made a huge difference. As big as any pipe could i think. I don't think just a pipe change could give any more than this or it would be unreal. As to the longs, someone else later said thiers DID perform much better, and i looked into it and found mine had a different part # than the new ones do. So i think they changed them, probably due to the performance issue. They have done this in the past often. The tors for the speedy and america has 3 different versions.
 

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Wait....because YOUR bike has been good they all have? How do you figure? Yes, there are plenty of people w/o the issues, but the fact yours has been good isn't the point and has nothing to do with what he wants to know which is has either bike been problematic to an abnormal degree. For the sake of argument, if there were 50% who had all the issues, that would still leave hundreds of online R3 forum members to speak up about how reliable thier bike has been. But that would leave 50% chance for the guy to buy a R3 and be sorry he did. whats the point? That doesn't help him determine if they are problematic to any degree worth worrying about and affecting his decision.

Now the tbird recalls have been a set of screws, and the difference between them and the new ones is the new ones have threadlocker on them ! not exactly the paint can rattle or tranny issues that have caused an inordinate number of R3 owners to have thier engines torn down ! The seat recall....a little metal bracket that if not changed could wear on the fender paint under the set. Why would you mention these?!! Lets get real ! Now there HAS been 1 real issue....coolant issue. And it's one that took a simple gasket to fix under warranty and didn't even leak but a few drops. People rode like that w/o losing coolant level. But i will concede it was an isse. One that has since been rectified too unlike the R3 issues because they were serious to a point triumph couldn't get them fixed for several models years, and I don't know if they even have been yet.

Now in reality i'm not sure of the percentage, but it has been inordinate. Show me a thread on ANY other triumph where some one started to ask all people with issue X to chime in and so many people did the thread was many pages long. You can't. But there are with the R3 at one of those forums i mentioned, and like i said these issue ARE documented here too. And don't ask me to search thru the forums and show you. If you want the truth, you can do that. I'm just the messenger. And also note that the point here and the question is whether the newest gen has any of these issue, not whether the past models did. He's looking to buy new, not used.

anyways, heres a guy looking to see if either bike has had serious issues so he can make a decision. Your post doesn't address his question, it only confuses it. Lets give him the truth here, not turn it into a thread about how great your particular bike has been. We could find hundreds like you, but thats not the point....the point is percentages. I expect all the other R3 guys will soon join in and at that point i'm done in this thread because i've had this argument with them before and it's senseless and useless.


Yadee yar dar ---Jeez you go on like a knob Jockey . what do you want everyone to say , Yeh you have the greatest bike

Start with you tell the guy not to listen to anyone who says they have no problems because there defending there bike ect ect . I'm telling you i've had NO PROBLEMS i ride with 2 other rocket riders and ONE did have a problem , i did'nt deny there was apparantly some problems with earlier bikes , because THERE WAS . I was just stating they apparantly seem to have been FIXED , Most who had the paint tin rattle seemed to have it in the 2005 to 2007 models AND TRIUMPH FIXED THEM .

Now i mentioned a couple of pissant little recall issues on the T Bird to illustrate how little problems they have had UP TILL NOW i hav'nt even had the coolant leak problem on mine , The guy is after info and has been told and is fully aware that the early rockets had problems but it does'nt seem like the later models are having them .

Now the T Bird like i said its early days yet , who knows given a few more riders start getting HIGH MILEAGE or they have a couple of years off selling them they MIGHT or MIGHT not develop a few teething problems . Given that he is looking at buying a NEW Rocket it seems most problems have been identified ,and fixed

The T bird at the moment does'nt apear to have any but like i said ITS EARLY DAYS .

So get of your high horse mate , there both good bikes but just because you own one don't neccesary make the t bird the only trouble free bike .

So all in all the rocket DID have a inherent problem but it seems to have been fixed .

The t bird well has its getting more popular , there seems to be more and more complaints about comfort , the suspension being harsh can bounce you out of the seat , the seat being has hard has a brick , the leaning forward with the handle bars gives people a bad back .

All easy fixed , All GENUINE problems but can be fixed BY SPENDING DOLLARS to make it more comfortable , have you told him that . . . not too mention the headlight is no better than a torch , so yeh mate the T bird is a great all round bike but its got issues wether its comfort or the headlight being out and out dangerous in rural settings through lack of light . but heh you have one so you can't forewarn him can you .

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