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Yes, I know; I rained on the glorious parade that was the 'Goodbye to Dubya' thread. Allow me to make amends. What did you all think of the speech?

I was more impressed than I expected to be, although at the same time it was a less flamboyant speech than I expected. There wasn't as much applause as I expected; people were listening very carefully, which is good.

If I could legally bind him to one line, it would be the one about closing government programs that weren't performing. When that happens, I'll eat my spark plug boots. But his foreign policy statements were pretty solid.

I'd have to quibble with his line about 'it's not whether government is too big or too small.' Government that's too big will inevitably sink an economy. I've lived in the US and in Europe, and I don't know how Europe gets by with the tax burden they have to sustain to fund their governments. I'll take smaller government every time.

It warmed my heart to hear the applause that followed Obama's gracious remarks toward George Bush.



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Great speech, he said what he needed to say without too much b.s. I liked his remarks to the Muslim community, smart man, hope he can do what he says he'll do. We surely need a breath of fresh air to turn things around and if he can do it then more power to him! Time will tell...

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Haven't read or heard all his speech yet but this is a great day for the US and the rest of the world. However good or bad GWB was it is a time for a fresh start and a new way forward.

Unfortunately the Europeans don't seem to have started off too well and have now recommenced farm subsidies at a time when the world needs to bring forward trade. They seem to forget that the 1930's stock market crash was made into a depression by subsidies and trade barriers. Hopefully the US doesn't follow suit in a tit for tat trade war.

I think Obama is the right man at the right time and if his actions match his oratory skills then the US will be able to look forward to regaining all the lost ground in foreign relations and forging ahead again as the leader of the free world.

We all need for Obama to succeed.


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...a less flamboyant speech than I expected...
I agree. Given the media hype, I expected, feared, much flowery rhetoric. There was little. People were ready for a rabble-rousing 'Yes we can!' tub-thumping. Instead they got a fairly measured outline policy document, inasmuch as an inaugural can be such a thing. I saw puzzled faces in the crowd. They didn't know when to wave their flags.

His first act is to halt Guantanomo Bay proceedings, I hear. Sorry, probably not very popular among hang-em-high Republicans, but it has to be done, to enable the US to reclaim the moral high-ground. Key word in "bring 'em to justice", is "justice". The US legal system is fit for purpose. Why hold trials outside it?

Let's not over-analyse every move he makes anyway - give the guy a break, he hasn't even got his feet under the desk yet.

And DaveB, don't be too worried. The Chinese concerned about the US election can probably speak English, and the full text of Obama's speech was available on hundreds of web-sites before he'd got half way through it. If the Chinese think they can censor the news, they truly are on "the wrong side of history".
 

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And DaveB, don't be too worried. The Chinese concerned about the US election can probably speak English, and the full text of Obama's speech was available on hundreds of web-sites before he'd got half way through it. If the Chinese think they can censor the news, they truly are on "the wrong side of history".
I think you're spot on.

I should be aware & be thankful that I'm fortunate enough to live in a country with a free constitution with freedom of thought & speech. When a government even considers, let alone imposes, censoreship towards 30% of the world's population I'm not impressed. When the holder of the most powerful office speaks it would be good if everybody gets a chance to hear what he has to say.

I hope the Chinese authorities have scored a diplomatic own goal with this one.

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I watched the speech live and I have to say I was impressed both with the speech itself and the professional way he delivered it - he certainly can "talk the talk". I really hope that he can also "walk the walk" and that Americans of all flavours set aside their differences and help rebuild the USA.
 

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I think despite the economic disaster its a good time to be American. You have a leader who seems like he has a brain and can lead. Leadership is about inspiriring those around you to do their damn best not doing it all yourself. Obama inspires. Last time we had a leader who could make inspiring speeches like that we were fighting a world war!

Look at the numbers of young people inspired by Obama. We don't have that kind of leadership in this country anymore. We can barely get people to vote.
 

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He sure can deliver hope: hopefully he can deliver!

If he can keep away from scandals, arms deals, drugs, taped phoned calls, interns, and keep his focus maybe he can deliver.

Transparency has been his MO, he needs to stay transparent, keep a genuine coalition of rivals, unite both right and left then maybe the gods of fate will deliver.
 

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Inauguration

If both left and right can accept the premise that their teams won't always occupy the executive, and won't always control the legislative, then we've all got to ask ourselves what we want when our party is not in control.

For me, I think both right and left would want the other side to be at least moderate in it's reign. Agreed? Then there are reasons for the right to be cheerful. In the speech, as HiD said, Obama reiterated an interest in examining gov programs and axing those that don't work. He also emphasized sacrifice and responsibility, which I think are themes often urged by the right in the past.

For a guy who was called a socialist during the campaign, his econ appointments so far are bound to displease the left. They sure aren't ivory-tower social democrats. They're almost entirely from the business side, signalling, I think, that whatever shifts we might see in taxation and regulation, it's very unlikely that an Obama administration will demonize business or neglect business interests.

And for me, when I hear him speak, I feel like I'm getting a glimpse of how his mind works. My impression is that he listens to all the arguments, weighs them carefully, and looks for a practical, workable solution. When he first rose to public attention, I was afraid he might be too liberal for me. But so far, I'm seeing a practical moderate, not a liberal idealogue.

Good inauguration speech. He may be in the process now of reigning in expectations, a good thing considering how many people are intoxicated with his charisma and the historical meaning of his election.
 

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If both left and right can accept the premise that their teams won't always occupy the executive, and won't always control the legislative, then we've all got to ask ourselves what we want when our party is not in control.

For me, I think both right and left would want the other side to be at least moderate in it's reign. Agreed? Then there are reasons for the right to be cheerful. In the speech, as HiD said, Obama reiterated an interest in examining gov programs and axing those that don't work. He also emphasized sacrifice and responsibility, which I think are themes often urged by the right in the past.

For a guy who was called a socialist during the campaign, his econ appointments so far are bound to displease the left. They sure aren't ivory-tower social democrats. They're almost entirely from the business side, signalling, I think, that whatever shifts we might see in taxation and regulation, it's very unlikely that an Obama administration will demonize business or neglect business interests.

And for me, when I hear him speak, I feel like I'm getting a glimpse of how his mind works. My impression is that he listens to all the arguments, weighs them carefully, and looks for a practical, workable solution. When he first rose to public attention, I was afraid he might be too liberal for me. But so far, I'm seeing a practical moderate, not a liberal idealogue.

Good inauguration speech. He may be in the process now of reigning in expectations, a good thing considering how many people are intixicated with his charisma and the historical meaning of his election.
I hope your right. His voting record doesn't square with his rhetoric. As an optimistic cynic I'll venture that Congressional Democrats have too many chits to repay for the country to fall off the "left" edge.
 

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Hidesert, For what its worth I think it was time to put Goodbye to Dubya thread to rest also. I think everybody that wanted to put their two cents worth in did.

As far as the Obama speech, I think it was a good solid one. It didnt have that one great line in it that is easily quotable and stands out but that is really neither here nor there.
I hope he and congress can do well if only for selfish reasons; the better they do, the better we do. I don't envy the man his job--He has a very full plate and none of our problems lend themselves to easy solutions. He does seem to inspire hope and that is never a bad quality in any leader. It is not everything but it doesnt hurt . Time will lift its veil of secrecy and give us a glimpes of things to come soon enough. I wish him all the best.
 

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I thought his speech was pretty good, although I heard it so many times on TV yesterday I could probably repeat it word for word. The TV coverage was way OTT and I can`t help wondering if the same fuss would have been made, if he was white? I certainly can`t remember the last time I saw such an overplayed media circus on TV.

He IS a very charismatic speaker and most definitely has the ear of the people. I also think he is very unlucky to have inherited such an economic mess. I hope it all works out for him and the rest of the USA too.
 

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Well being the only guy in Maine to vote for McCain it is still a sore spot with me. I did not watch TV....the wife gets mad when I start to pontificate in negative slangs...I did take a momment to hang old glory upside down and it will stay that way for a few weeks or more. I will not watch any news about him and hopefully the next four will go fast.......:censored:
 

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.........You have a leader who seems like he has a brain and can lead. Leadership is about inspiring those around you to do their damn best not doing it all yourself. Obama inspires. ..............
Look at the numbers of young people inspired by Obama. We don't have that kind of leadership in this country anymore. We can barely get people to vote.

I think Nick has nailed it, this is what it is all about and what the US and the rest of the world needs at this time. I liked McCain but he wouldn't have galvanised the country as Obama has done.

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Beings I am not watching the news for the next four years would you guys let me know when the Yankees and the Giants win again. I would hate not to know. :D
 

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One would have thought with all the planning going into that event they would have picked that up and also did something about it at the time.


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It was pay back for slick willy stealing all the Bs off the key boards on his exit. :D

I for one am outraged, shocked and just sooooooo disapointed.
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