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A fellow Honda "F" member of that forum posted the following:

"Purpose of testing is not to find out how many cases you have but to find out who has Covid and then tell them to stay the **** home and then quickly follow up on where they got it from and tell them to stay the **** home. And then quickly follow up on who they were in contact with and tell them to stay the **** home!

Once Covid carriers stay the **** home you will see the Covid numbers DECREASE even if you INCREASE testing.

Wearing a mask protects your contacts, your contacts wearing a mask protects you. There is nothing hard to understand."
This poster is Canadian and doesn't say much usually. This debate seems to take place everywhere these days.
I'd like to address the "common" flue stats. In order to compare apples to apples we'd need to know how many people would perish if there was no vaccine? The big difference at the moment is that we don't have a vaccine. The only option is to follow what the experts tell us to do in order to lessen contagion.
Honda had a sticker we older riders used to apply on our bikes, it was in reference to motorbike riding but it has many applications. "Stupid Hurts".

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Oh FFS. Now I just kind of think you're trolling, because I find it hard to believe that anyone can be that obtuse. All this BS about certain billionaires being evil and trying to control the population, we all know is a dog whistle against George Soros because of the guy's religion. Jesus Harold Christ - I'm out. This sh!t's just too fecked up, and if people really, actually believe this crap, then I kinda hope that they all walk around without masks, and go to big gatherings and do humanity a favour.
I'm flouncing on this thread. Too much unscientific crap for this scientist.
No conspiracy theories here, I'm just trying to add those things up that don't add up. If you know better, why don't you show evidence to the contrary instead of casting insults around? Sorry, but for me, what's going on around me defies that which I see with my own eyes. And you've just given me a new question to ask. How does Soros and his religion come into this, seeing as its you, not me who mentions the guy. Gates is the biggest [email protected] IMO, and the evidence against him is fairly bullet proof... Oh.. you've gone.
 

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Chips! Not the ones you eat, nano micro chips that can be injected into the body with a syringe, a similar way to how a Doctor would administer a vaccine. These micro chips are little transmitters that can be picked up by tracking satellites, people will need to keep roughly 2 metres apart in order for the satellites to pick up their information, stand to close together and the satellites cant work out if it is one person or maybe 10 people stood in a group.

Thats another one for ya!
Its real, and its here. RFID ID by vaccine. Scroll down the page to see the partners in this alliance. Debunk this one bobbo.


 
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Sorry, but for me, what's going on around me defies that which I see with my own eyes
This to is the reason why I have reservations about this virus plandemic. I'm not trying to piss anyone off with the stuff I have posted but merely trying to figure out what's happening around us. I feel that there is something far more sinister going on than we are led to believe, but then I may just be over thinking it all.
 

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I cant speak for what goes on in some of those other countries, not sure I can speak with any certainty about whats going on in the US so.......but you cant dispute whats happening here, whats happening with the southern states that are spiking ............the death rate, the contraction rate...........
The rates are spiking simply because the hospitals get paid more. Dollars trump treatment. Not that doctors are infecting people or letting them die but if a person goes in with, name a sickness or injury, and they are listed as COVID the hospital gets more money out of it.
“Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it’s a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they’re Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000,” he added on April 19. “But if it’s COVID-19 pneumonia, then it’s $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000.”

So like any other business, and hospitals are a business, if there is profit to be made they are going to try and make it.

Try this. New York Undercover Nurse Confirms COVID-19 Criminal Hoax
It is long but the nurse is talking about what she sees on a daily basis.

Or if you want something shorter.

or this

Remember when things are dropped from YouTube there is always a reason but it may not be a good reason. In some cases it is the control the narrative.
 

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For all of the mask advocates out there. How are you keeping the virus from infecting you through your eyes? Are you going to start wearing goggles?
 

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Out of interest are you getting this information from the mainstream media and government announcements?
I have a degree in mathematics with an emphasis on statistics/statistical analysis, math modeling. I get my numbers from all sorts of sources, some I hear on the news, some I get from the college that I attended, I have a BIL that was the head of the emergency room at the largest hospital in our area(which is no where near a large city but.....)He's retired now and is very conservative(politically) so when he tells me stuff I listen because if he's going to slant something he's going to lean right but the info that I get from him does not down play the virus, he thinks its serious and I have a lot of respect for his views/opinions.
When it comes to just plain news, or news on this particular subject, I'd say all of the above, hell I try to sort through all the BS, just like you or any other person that really wants to know the truth, something that's really hard to do with 24 hour news agencies. Nothing pisses me off more then when I'm listening to a interview and I can hear the reporter leading the questions just begging for an outcome to fit their narrative, I think if any of the old reporters from the 60's 70's could hear this sh!t they'd turn over in their graves. It's sad when you hear something that sounds questionable that you have to google/Snoops......... it to find out if its true. Unfortunately enough people dont check, they just run with what they hear(especially if its fits their views)and post it on facebook, tweet it, or spread it like its the gospel according to Mathew Mark Luke and John.
There is no question that the actions that were taken back in Feb, March were done so with no real guide lines, even though there are some, stuff just never goes like the books say they will so a lot of add-lib is needed. mistakes were made, thats to be expected, but then there are those that have to pounce on the mistake and pound the airwaves with said mistake, that leads the other side to become defensive. Thats not in the best interest of the public but I'm not sure they news agency is all to concerned about our interests. I always said that once news became "for profit" it all went to hell.

That's more then you asked but it gives you a good idea of where I'm getting my info, or at least trying to get it.
 

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Are you going to start wearing goggles?
No I wear glasses I also wear a mask when I am required to. But wearing a mask when driving a cage
is like wearing a condom when watchin Porn.

Read a lot of Crap in this thread (both sides) and do I think the Pandemic is real? I have no idea. Do I think Dr's all over the World are involved in a giant conspiracy? No. Do I think China coulda/woulda do something like this on purpose? F'n A Right (not a political statement just an opinion). Do I have other political opinions on the handling of this? Sure do but I won't talk about it here.

Why do I wear a mask? Have a nice one the Mrs. made for me (a Stars & Stripes type material). I'm not a gambler. Always rode with a helmet, gloves, leather's(jacket and pants or at least denim) and boots. Since I'm a fat old greybeard sh!t now in the high risk category who was just diagnosed with COPD (won't boor you with all the other problems) I will wear a mask ( as will my 66 year old child bride) because IF I do catch it I WILL be one dead MUTHER. That in its self doesn't bother me as I have been fighting stuff for the last 10 years. But right now I am trying to help a HD Patched Customer restore a T100 for an ARMY guy badly F'D up by a IED overseas. Just want to get that done

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My conspiracy theory is that educated, united and effective free-world countries aren't in Russia's interest. A divided USA and UK and EU at war with their internal struggles are too busy with their own chaos to lead the planet, and that is in Putin's interest. And the KGB is quite good at disinformation campaigns. We know they are active in social media and blogs and other internet campaigns. I read recently (in the damned MSM) that foreign powers have played a part in fueling the recent race riots. And sowing chaos in Afghanistan. And interfere with our elections. And now are creating strife meddling with our own internal handling of a health crisis. Certain media personalities on UK and US television networks are paid directly by the KGB to disseminate misinformation and ferment chaos. And certain members of this forum carry Putin's water for him for free. Oblivious to who their handlers truly are.

That is my conspiracy theory.
 

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A few days ago I was fact checking something and discovered that cable news networks, the ones you pay for, FOX, MSNBC and CNN etc are handled differently by the FCC than free over the air news, ABC,CBS, NBC, PBS. The cable news you subscribe to can say just about anything they want, no problem. Usually about the only thing that will get one of these anchors / commentators fired is if he or she says something really stupid or offensive and they start loosing sponsors.


If a over the air for free news anchor makes a mistake and is called out they will usually retract the error on air. If he obviously, deliberately lies they get demoted, Brian Williams, or fired , Dan Rather for example. This almost never happens to cable news anchors.

Not saying that FCC regulated stations are perfect or that they don't show bias, they do at times. From what I see the cable networks don't even try to fake being fair or honest very well.
 

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I have a degree in mathematics with an emphasis on statistics/statistical analysis, math modeling.
I think with a background like yours you possibly find it easier than the average person to make sense of the numbers, I understand the 'R' rate and get that the infection rate is probably higher than your average flu. I'm just going on whatever I can find on MSM news and the internet but as I've said previously I find it hard to believe either of these. From personal experience to be honest I haven't seen much sign of anything like a pandemic going on but then I haven't visited any areas or hospitals where we are being told there is a large amount of cases.
It sort of puts me in mind of the medieval period when you had alchemist's coming up with all sorts of weird concoctions, back then your average peasant saw this as being some sort of wizardry, I don't think the human race has really moved on a great deal from then and I suppose because I don't fully accept what we are being told by the 'experts' then I suppose I'm still thinking that all this virus plandemic is some sort of wizardy.

I will lastly add that I'm not denying that there is a virus spreading around the world I just don't think we are being told the full story, wizardy is what it is, burn 'em at the stake!
 

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My conspiracy theory is that educated, united and effective free-world countries aren't in Russia's interest. A divided USA and UK and EU at war with their internal struggles are too busy with their own chaos to lead the planet, and that is in Putin's interest. And the KGB is quite good at disinformation campaigns. We know they are active in social media and blogs and other internet campaigns. I read recently (in the damned MSM) that foreign powers have played a part in fueling the recent race riots. And sowing chaos in Afghanistan. And interfere with our elections. And now are creating strife meddling with our own internal handling of a health crisis. Certain media personalities on UK and US television networks are paid directly by the KGB to disseminate misinformation and ferment chaos. And certain members of this forum carry Putin's water for him for free. Oblivious to who their handlers truly are.

That is my conspiracy theory.
In support of your argument. By the way your theory may be much more than a theory.

Yuri Bezmenov: Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society
 

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I think with a background like yours you possibly find it easier than the average person to make sense of the numbers, I understand the 'R' rate and get that the infection rate is probably higher than your average flu. I'm just going on whatever I can find on MSM news and the internet but as I've said previously I find it hard to believe either of these. From personal experience to be honest I haven't seen much sign of anything like a pandemic going on but then I haven't visited any areas or hospitals where we are being told there is a large amount of cases.
It sort of puts me in mind of the medieval period when you had alchemist's coming up with all sorts of weird concoctions, back then your average peasant saw this as being some sort of wizardry, I don't think the human race has really moved on a great deal from then and I suppose because I don't fully accept what we are being told by the 'experts' then I suppose I'm still thinking that all this virus plandemic is some sort of wizardy.

I will lastly add that I'm not denying that there is a virus spreading around the world I just don't think we are being told the full story, wizardy is what it is, burn 'em at the stake!
I think for the average person(whatever average is) if they contract the virus they might not even feel any effects/symptoms but they do/can spread it, there in lies the problem, healthy people giving it to unhealthy people.
I was working on a house with a couple in there early 80's, she has sever asthma, I told the company that I was contracting for that I didn't feel good about working there because I could be a carrier and would feel like sh!t if I spread it to them, she wouldn't survive it if she got it. We arranged for me to finish while they were vacationing in their summer home, when I finished everything was cleaned/wiped down/sanitized as best as possible, Dont know if it was overkill but I and the company I did the work for felt better so......
Also 20% of all cases that end up in death are people without any pre-existing conditions.
I'm a big believer in the info that I get from scientist, especially when I consistently get the same info, you will always have that person/persons that feel the need to politicize it and try to discredit the statistics, and mind you stats are one of the easiest things to manipulate. There is no disputing that there is a large increase of patients in the hospital in certain parts of our country right now due to the virus, those are indisputable facts. Media of course will make it out to be so much worse with the intent to scare the rest of the population.
One thing to think about is how some areas have dealt with the virus as apposed to other areas, I've mentioned New Zealand, they have all but taken care of the problem, not politicizing it, just dealt with it, we in this country have made it a "us against them" thing and now we're seeing an increase in cases. That's the problem that we currently face in the US, our climate is so politically polarized right now, look right here on this thread, that's the way it is all across this entire country.

Remember, in all the sci-fi thriller movie the politicians ignore the scientists in the beginning!
 

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Oh FFS. Now I just kind of think you're trolling, because I find it hard to believe that anyone can be that obtuse. All this BS about certain billionaires being evil and trying to control the population, we all know is a dog whistle against George Soros because of the guy's religion. Jesus Harold Christ - I'm out. This sh!t's just too fecked up, and if people really, actually believe this crap, then I kinda hope that they all walk around without masks, and go to big gatherings and do humanity a favour.
I'm flouncing on this thread. Too much unscientific crap for this scientist.
Just so you know George Soros' open society foundation just took a big hit by the supreme court.
It is a long read but the short version is......
Supreme Court decides Soros Funded Open Society's foreign affiliates do not have First Amendment rights or any constitutional rights.
 

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its sweetcorn you need to worry about.

its full of nanites that can hear, monitor and record everything you say.

thats why you should Never eat it!

it is also the reason why when you poop its still in one piece!
it is collected at the sewage farm where they match each kernel to your DNA which was took from you at birth
and then scanned for information on you, these are uploaded to the Kernel Sanders intelligence society's super computer to make sure that all earthlings are still too stupid and gullible enough to believe any old shite!
 

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here is a reality check.
you think a face mask will do any good at all????
all it will do is make ugly women half attractive


single virus particles, are 20–250 nanometers in diameter.
Just how small is “nano?” In the International System of Units, the prefix "nano" means one-billionth, or 10-9; therefore one nanometer is one-billionth of a meter. It’s difficult to imagine just how small that is, so here are some examples:

  • A sheet of paper is about 100,000 nanometers thick
  • A strand of human DNA is 2.5 nanometers in diameter
  • There are 25,400,000 nanometers in one inch
  • A human hair is approximately 80,000- 100,000 nanometers wide
  • A single gold atom is about a third of a nanometer in diameter
  • On a comparative scale, if the diameter of a marble was one nanometer, then diameter of the Earth would be about one meter
  • One nanometer is about as long as your fingernail grows in one second
 

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It is possible that what we read, listen to and are told about this virus is true or false as to where it came from. Might be true or false that governments world wide have reasons to deny, fib, lie or ignore reality.
Point is this virus is killing people almost as fast as Syria killed it's own people. When your old uncle with a bad heart does die you can claim he was going to die any way but when? Today or maybe 5 years from now.
Or most youth are braver and more risk taking and are fated to die at a higher rate than more mature folk. But again, when? This week in mass or next year on their bike
All this theory crap is brought to a halt when your parent, aunt, child or friend dies in a week or two of getting sick. They are dead by the virus. Not from old age, young age, skin color. They are dead.
Until this happens to some theory believers they will continue babbling about conspiratorial rumors.
When your spouse or some one you know dies whilst caring for the I'll they are dead. You can't deny that poor care in nursing homes speeded up death in the old or inform.
Some time in the future folk will realize it truely was a virus naturally occurring, that killed hundreds of thousands and maybe even a relative or friend.
Think of sitting in your car in the hospital parking lot waiting for them to come out to say "they have died".
We get it from each other, so hide, deny, ignore because of your theory but the virus is here.
 

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Who ya gonna believe? The National Academy of Sciences, or guys on the internet who are excited to realize the viruses are really, really small?


Guys on the internet, obviously. They are easier to understand (if you don't think too hard about what they say). Those professional guys are way too wordy.
 

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It is possible that what we read, listen to and are told about this virus is true or false as to where it came from. Might be true or false that governments world wide have reasons to deny, fib, lie or ignore reality.
Point is this virus is killing people almost as fast as Syria killed it's own people. When your old uncle with a bad heart does die you can claim he was going to die any way but when? Today or maybe 5 years from now.
Or most youth are braver and more risk taking and are fated to die at a higher rate than more mature folk. But again, when? This week in mass or next year on their bike
All this theory crap is brought to a halt when your parent, aunt, child or friend dies in a week or two of getting sick. They are dead by the virus. Not from old age, young age, skin color. They are dead.
Until this happens to some theory believers they will continue babbling about conspiratorial rumors.
When your spouse or some one you know dies whilst caring for the I'll they are dead. You can't deny that poor care in nursing homes speeded up death in the old or inform.
Some time in the future folk will realize it truely was a virus naturally occurring, that killed hundreds of thousands and maybe even a relative or friend.
Think of sitting in your car in the hospital parking lot waiting for them to come out to say "they have died".
We get it from each other, so hide, deny, ignore because of your theory but the virus is here.
I don’t believe anyone on this thread has said that the virus does not exist. There is debate about where it came from and how. There is also debate about masks, are they effective or not. Will a piece of cloth or cheap filter stop a virus from passing through? I think that social distancing is somewhat effective and if you are an at risk person you should probably practice social distancing every flu season anyway. Washing your hands and not rubbing your eyes is a good measure. Since 98.5% (number varies slightly across different sources) of the people that contract the virus survive, many without even showing symptoms, does it make sense to shut down the economy, destroy what many people have worked for, and confine the healthy to what they like to call “the new normal” for an undisclosed period of time? Confinement and lack of social interaction can lower a person’s immune system, in turn making them more susceptible to infection after the lock down. This alone could give way to a “second wave” of the virus harming more people because of lowered immune systems.

There is always room for debate.
 

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Who ya gonna believe? The National Academy of Sciences, or guys on the internet who are excited to realize the viruses are really, really small?


Guys on the internet, obviously. They are easier to understand (if you don't think too hard about what they say). Those professional guys are way too wordy.
Professionals do it for the money independent researchers try to find truth for the betterment of all people. Both groups are wrong on occasion.
 
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