blades n birds, I've posted a link to the thread in the T3 section...they're more used to these carb'd bikes.
Brad
Brad
T509 Wont Start - ECU ????
I'm trying to get my friends 1996 T509 to start, as he is a single perent he can't rely afford to take to dealer. Basically I've got to the point where I think the ECU may be at fault. I'll give a basic review:
-Fuel pump initial prime has been gradually getting fainter.
- Bike now will not start, fuel pump does not prime but bike cranks OK. Stand up, clutch in, kill switch ok.
- Traced fuel pump rely not being pulled in, power available and if connected to live and earth rely operates OK.
- Tested pump by jumping rely to operate it and pump operates correctly.
- If I earth ECU return terminal to ground rely switches ok, so getting feed from ECU but not grounding return.
- If I jump rely to run pump and provide power to coils and crank bike it still will not start.
- I've checked earth's from ECU as they go to diagnostic plug and have continuity to battery earth
- I've tried to look for the earth connecter block, as mentioned in other posts, but can't find it. The primary earths from the battery seem to go straight into the loom and then to the alternator ground. there does not appear to be any connector blocks in the harness.
- I've removed the tank to ensure I've not missed anything.
Please help I'm now at a loss other then either to take to dealer to check or try to get a second hand ECU to try.
-Fuel pump initial prime has been gradually getting fainter.
- Bike now will not start, fuel pump does not prime but bike cranks OK. Stand up, clutch in, kill switch ok.
- Traced fuel pump rely not being pulled in, power available and if connected to live and earth rely operates OK.
- Tested pump by jumping rely to operate it and pump operates correctly.
- If I earth ECU return terminal to ground rely switches ok, so getting feed from ECU but not grounding return.
- If I jump rely to run pump and provide power to coils and crank bike it still will not start.
- I've checked earth's from ECU as they go to diagnostic plug and have continuity to battery earth
- I've tried to look for the earth connecter block, as mentioned in other posts, but can't find it. The primary earths from the battery seem to go straight into the loom and then to the alternator ground. there does not appear to be any connector blocks in the harness.
- I've removed the tank to ensure I've not missed anything.
Please help I'm now at a loss other then either to take to dealer to check or try to get a second hand ECU to try.
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AFAIK a '96 T509 is fuel injected.
bradtx said:
There is no such animal - if a 96 it's a T3 and carb'd, if a T509, it's a '97 and FI.
But since the OP is talking about fuel pump, then it presumably IS a T509, just misidentified the year, not the model.
blades n birds - it appears that the very early T509 (& T595 Daytona) did not have the earth block - which is something I only recently discovered myself!
Now - one thing to recognize when trouble-shooting the fuel pump relay circuit, is that you get the initial 'ground' for the fuel pump relay for only 3 seconds after ignition-on; so attempting to diagnose outside of that window is futile. The ECM relay drive signal then does not come back until after the crank signal is received and re-initiates it.
I would say that ECM failures are rare - but never say never.
So the first question is - do you get the pump/coils/injector power for that initial 3 secs at ignition on?
Since you still do not start when the relay is jumped, then you possibly have a a problem with the crank sensor (or cam sensor I think also comes into play on that model)
Check the ECM relay - that one provides power to the injectors but also to the ECM
That should be the one in front row, in left-most position (#7)
Swap it with the cooling fan relay & see if that changes anything.
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That should be the one in front row, in left-most position (#7)
Swap it with the cooling fan relay & see if that changes anything.
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Check to see if you have one of these in your bike (the earlier models did not)
- it is the infamous ground block - cause of many electrical issues.
There are several iterations of this device - the latest is the one shown in the bottom picture, and identifiable by the second ground wire/lug on the negative battery terminal.
If you do not have this second wire would recommend upgrade to this latest type.
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The problem is it gets arced out and has an insufficient grounding path to the battery
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There is a kit available to repair/upgrade - has an additional grounding cable that goes directly to the battery post.
Triumph Part number is T2505055
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- it is the infamous ground block - cause of many electrical issues.
There are several iterations of this device - the latest is the one shown in the bottom picture, and identifiable by the second ground wire/lug on the negative battery terminal.
If you do not have this second wire would recommend upgrade to this latest type.
The problem is it gets arced out and has an insufficient grounding path to the battery
There is a kit available to repair/upgrade - has an additional grounding cable that goes directly to the battery post.
Triumph Part number is T2505055
Why can’t I see this picture?![]()
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