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Spray can paint or tar will also coat the chain and not run.
I always thought the main requirement for a chain lube was that it is an excellent rubber-safe lubricant, not if it is runny or not. The less it runs, the less it lubricates.
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[ This message was edited by: Martin_R on 2006-11-09 01:40 ]
I always thought the main requirement for a chain lube was that it is an excellent rubber-safe lubricant, not if it is runny or not. The less it runs, the less it lubricates.
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i guess one train of thought is that the sealed o/x rings will remain lubed, and that anything out of a can is more of a corrosion preventative on the side plates? in that respect something a bit more sticky would be of a benefit.
i dunno- just a thought.
i dunno- just a thought.
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Sure. As many schools on the subject as there are riders.
My reasoning is that a O/X/Z-ring chain needs lubrication to
a) reduce friction between rollers and sprockets to lessen premature wear and overheating (which will fubar the sealed in grease in the chain)
b) keep the outside of the rubber rings in good condition
c) to fling off any stuck-on cra p from between the chain links
In the light of the above, anything relatively dry/thick that sticks on the chain too aggressively does not sound too good. More friction between chain links, more friction between chain & sprockets, more c rap sealed in between side plates & next to the O-rings.
[ This message was edited by: Martin_R on 2006-11-09 04:42 ]
I believe that the chain is already lubricated and the lubricant is sealed inside by the O,X,Z rings. So it is not the movement of the parts of the chain relevant to each other that we are lubricating for but the movement of the chain over the sprocket, which is what Martin has said.
Some chain waxes I have tried stick to the chain like glue but also attracted dirt which also sticks to the chain like glue and eventually mixes with the wax and turns into a grinding paste, which helps to wear everything. I used Motul chainwax for a while. It was very sticky (periodic washing of the chain was a major task.....that sh!t stuck to the chain like you wouldn't believe) and it would attract and hold sand and grit tenaciously.
Oily chain lubes don't hold the dirt, but throw off making a mess of the back wheel. If you keep up the lube to the chain it protects the chain but you will spend half your life washing the rear end of your bike.
OK....so I am stating the obvious.
I use Belray Superclean chain lube. It does not fling off, and it does not attract and hold the dirt and it appears to do a good job of lubricating.
I have done 18000km on my 05 and have only had to adjust the chain twice in that time.
Just because it appears to be dry (and not runny) does not mean that it is not a good lubricant.
I am very happy with the Belray product. I have also heard good reports about the Motorex lube.
Some chain waxes I have tried stick to the chain like glue but also attracted dirt which also sticks to the chain like glue and eventually mixes with the wax and turns into a grinding paste, which helps to wear everything. I used Motul chainwax for a while. It was very sticky (periodic washing of the chain was a major task.....that sh!t stuck to the chain like you wouldn't believe) and it would attract and hold sand and grit tenaciously.
Oily chain lubes don't hold the dirt, but throw off making a mess of the back wheel. If you keep up the lube to the chain it protects the chain but you will spend half your life washing the rear end of your bike.
OK....so I am stating the obvious.
I use Belray Superclean chain lube. It does not fling off, and it does not attract and hold the dirt and it appears to do a good job of lubricating.
I have done 18000km on my 05 and have only had to adjust the chain twice in that time.
Just because it appears to be dry (and not runny) does not mean that it is not a good lubricant.
I am very happy with the Belray product. I have also heard good reports about the Motorex lube.
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I have used chain wax for years, It's good stuff.
Some people thinkthat the new o-ring chains don't need lube, but look at one with 10-15k miles that has been lubed vs. one that hasn't.
I think it's a no brainer!
Some people thinkthat the new o-ring chains don't need lube, but look at one with 10-15k miles that has been lubed vs. one that hasn't.
I think it's a no brainer!
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This is what I use and for good reason.
I do a lot of miles and was really sick of the fling off and the crud sticking to the chain and wearing it and the sprockets.
This stuff goes on a clean chain clear, then leaves a lovely teflon wax that refuses to let road grime stick. There is no fling. It's also good if your current chain is dirty, you can use it to clean it, then go over once more and let dry.
I've also used it on other stuff that squeaks or needs a clean up.
My current chain & sprockets have 15,000 kms and with one adjustment since new, at the last service they said if I keep the maintenance up to it, I should get 30,000.
Disclaimer - I have no affiliation with Dupont
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I do a lot of miles and was really sick of the fling off and the crud sticking to the chain and wearing it and the sprockets.
This stuff goes on a clean chain clear, then leaves a lovely teflon wax that refuses to let road grime stick. There is no fling. It's also good if your current chain is dirty, you can use it to clean it, then go over once more and let dry.
I've also used it on other stuff that squeaks or needs a clean up.
My current chain & sprockets have 15,000 kms and with one adjustment since new, at the last service they said if I keep the maintenance up to it, I should get 30,000.
Disclaimer - I have no affiliation with Dupont
Mick
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I use Alisyn synthetic chain lube from Aerospace Lubricants in Columbus , Ohio.
Good Stuff! All these lubes are going in the right direction-less glop and more hi-tech chemistry to keep the chain clean and rust free while decreasing wear to a minimum.
I am a sort of chain lube junkie so I will try the DuPont stuff. Been using the DuPont Lithium grease stuff on my doors and latches in my house. Does the trick.
Good Stuff! All these lubes are going in the right direction-less glop and more hi-tech chemistry to keep the chain clean and rust free while decreasing wear to a minimum.
I am a sort of chain lube junkie so I will try the DuPont stuff. Been using the DuPont Lithium grease stuff on my doors and latches in my house. Does the trick.
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I have been using the Amsoil HD Metal Protector, which seems to work real well, nothing sticks to it, etc. and it is relatively cheap, but the Dupont stuff looks interesting, particularly if it works as a cleaner as well. I have some Motorex, which works well, but is about twice the cost of the Amsoil. It does have the mini-can that is refillable, so that is why I use it as a road trip lube. Hopefully it and the Amsoil are compatible.
I too got tired of cleaning the waxy gunk off my chain and sprockets. I switched to the Dupont Teflon Multi-Use because I couldn't find any Alisyn locally and I didn't want to pay more for shipping than the product. I've been happy with the Dupont for the last few thousand miles.
I recently read a link to an email from Alisyn where they said they sell some 50K cans of Alisyn Synthetic Chain Lubricant to Lowe's branded as 'Genie Universal Garage Door Lubricant'. $6.58 in the garage door section. Goes on like snot, apply sparingly.
[ This message was edited by: left360 on 2006-11-10 00:19 ]
I recently read a link to an email from Alisyn where they said they sell some 50K cans of Alisyn Synthetic Chain Lubricant to Lowe's branded as 'Genie Universal Garage Door Lubricant'. $6.58 in the garage door section. Goes on like snot, apply sparingly.
[ This message was edited by: left360 on 2006-11-10 00:19 ]
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+1 limey, and yes I've got right around 20k miles out of a WD40 chain before! :-D
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Trust cheap to jump on a thread about looobin up!!! :-D :-D :-D
I agree with HiVel and left360 on the Alisyn lube. A good friend of mine spotted it being used in the Honda factory pits at Laguna Seca years ago. You'd think that 'Honda' would insist they use a Honda product!?? He has owned several R1's and he just sold his last one (04) with 65K miles on it. You won't believe it, but he still had the original chain and sprockets on it. No [email protected]#! He is an older guy and one hell of a rider. He's intelligent and knows a thing or two about motorcycles and mechanics.
I started using it and really like it. It's kinda like Vasoline in texture. You should only use sparingly and wipe the excess off. If any flies off (very little) it wipes off as easy as Vasoline. It will still appear wet after hundreds of miles. It does not attract dirt because it remains 'loose', not like grease or wax. I no longer dread lubing my chain anymore its so easy to use.
You need a 'loose type' of lube to not only lube the sprocket/roller and roller/pin interface, but to be able to work its way down to the 'edges' of the O-rings and stay there.
I get it from Lockhart Phillips. Buy two at a time and save a little on shipping.
I started using it and really like it. It's kinda like Vasoline in texture. You should only use sparingly and wipe the excess off. If any flies off (very little) it wipes off as easy as Vasoline. It will still appear wet after hundreds of miles. It does not attract dirt because it remains 'loose', not like grease or wax. I no longer dread lubing my chain anymore its so easy to use.
You need a 'loose type' of lube to not only lube the sprocket/roller and roller/pin interface, but to be able to work its way down to the 'edges' of the O-rings and stay there.
I get it from Lockhart Phillips. Buy two at a time and save a little on shipping.
I'm with Goffe on this. Use the same stuff and have countless cans of other chain lubes on the shelf. I still try other new stuff just to see how it works, but the Amsoil MPHD is my lube of choice and the can I first grab for on my S3 and Sport Quad.
On a side note, it has that same smell described by the webbikeworld.com article.
On a side note, it has that same smell described by the webbikeworld.com article.
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