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77 T140V. From what I read in the manual, a drift tool has to be fashioned to remove the axle holding the tire and speedometer drive together. Is this the best way about it? My drive has been dodgy for a while and I have a NIB LF Harris one. I just dont have the drift tool to take off the rear tire.
 

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Hi Thor,
77 T140V. From what I read in the manual, a drift tool has to be fashioned to remove the axle holding the tire and speedometer drive
:confused: Dunno which "manual" you're reading but the Triumph '73-'78 750 twin Workshop Manual, Section F13 "REMOVING AND REFITTING THE REAR WHEEL" on manual page F20/.pdf page 145 says:-
Using a tommy bar [through the hole in the spindle at the sprocket end] to secure the wheel spindle remove the spindle nut. Withdraw the wheel spindle
... only thing you might find is the speedo. drive might be stuck on the spindle if Guy The Gorilla's big brother tightened the spindle nut. :( Wiggling and/or tapping (not hammering) the spindle should get it through the speedo. drive. New speedo. drive should be a sliding fit on the spindle. Don't haul on the spindle nut with a three-foot breaker bar when you tighten it.

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Harbor Freight and other places have motor cycle jacks which will lift the entire bike off the floor. I attached a ratchet strap so the bike can't fall over. Works well.
 

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I agree with StuartMac. I have tapped mine out with a rubber mallet/wiggling/pulling by hand and it's free by a combination of relieving pressure on the spindle/axle my pushing down on the rear of the seat. A wonky drive may be the result of the cable needing lubed or the drive itself in need of grease. When my speedo goes from 50-60 at a constant speed, I lube the cable. FWIW
 

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Hi Thor, A fellow told me this 9 years ago on this site. To put center stand on blocks, put bike on center stand, then tip bike sideways & slip 1x4 under one leg, then tip the other way & slip 1x4 under other leg. Then double them. Finally work your way up to a 2x4. I know shop manual says something like 3" but I find in real life a 2x4 is often enough. If you need a tad more you can use 1x4 on top of 2x4. An assistant is helpful but I've done it many times by myself by sliding block under stand with my toe. By the way. I use blocks for each side, not one long one going crossways. It's kind of scary tipping bike especially as it gets higher, but with care & practice it becomes easy. I aways strap it to the wood rafters in my garage just in case it should roll off stand.

Depending on muffler fitted, you'll have to remove left muffler. I use anti seize at the slip joint at pipe so it doesn't rust on. I know this compromises friction to pipe to a degree, but did you ever remove rusted on muffler?

Tip: if you have earlier bike with brake drum. You can wiggle wheel out without blocks. After removing axle, roll wheel back just enough & over to slip out backing plate for shoes. Now rotate wheel such left fork end enters brake drum, the wheel can now pivot just enough to slip out of fender.

The speedo drive is soft zinc. So each tightening of the axle crushes it a bit more. New drive the axle slips through like you'd expect it should. First time you tighten axle it crushes it. You under tighten axle I promise you it will slip in swing arm & ruin the adjusters. I've seen this several times when owner decided to not crush drive. I don't believe you can get enough torque on axle to keep it from slipping without distorting the hole in drive. I've experimented with new drives, feeling how tight, then removing drive & seeing how much it crushes. The very late shop manual lists axle torque 60#. This bike used a different drive that was on left side of wheel though. I've not personally had the left side drive out, so I don't if they are effected like this or not.

The earlier dry frame bikes mounted drive in the hollow tube inside wheel. It also has tendency to crush the center if tube end nuts were over tightened. But this is very different set up so the drive doesn't take pinching force of axle. The end nuts on tube take the pinching force of the axle bolt that goes through swing arm, so the drive is not removed from wheel when you remove the axle bolt. The problems started in '71 with the conical rear brake hub.

So I use a 1/2 aluminum bar that I had laying around to drive axle out. This tight fit of axle through drive makes going together a real pain as well as on removal as must align the drive, spacer, adjuster all at once.

I got the idea of filing the hole larger to make assembly easier. Of course, each time I tightened axle in squished tight on axle again. After about 4-5 filings the drive started binding. What happened is the drive was distorting enough with each enlargement it made it cone shaped & moved to the left of bike, then the drive tube bottomed in the ring gear of drive. Remember if the hole is enlarged it distorts as it's squeezed by axle. If you drive it in, it's already taken the set of squeezing, so it doesn't really squeeze further.

So end of day, it's better to have to use the drift & hammer.

Finally I got mad & installed steel insert in the drive. That's a whole other story. Not so simple to do. But it has proved to work perfectly. Factory should have done that!
Don
 

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How do I safely jack up the bike 3” more than the center stand, and from where?
Like Don, I have a couple of blocks I built that will provide the 3 inch lift. You can do the tip method Don described or call a buddy and the two of you lift the bike on to the blocks. However, the motorcycle jack mentioned earlier will bring both wheels off the ground, well over 12 inches and take the back ache out of many other repairs and upgrades. Well worth the money IMO. I went from the 3 inch blocks to the jack and now have a lift table.
 

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Hi Thor,
The speedo drive is soft zinc. So each tightening of the axle crushes it a bit more
got mad & installed steel insert in the drive
has proved to work perfectly. Factory should have done that
Mmmm ... :cool:

'79-on twin workshop manual, for some reason, someone decided the rear wheel spindle should be torqued to 60 ft.lb., although the '79-on rear wheel is exactly the same as the '76-'78 rear disc wheel ...

The forums have since decided this should apply to all twins' rear wheel spindles ...

As with pre-'79 twins workshop manuals, triple workshop manuals also don't have a specific torque for the rear spindle. When T160's were new, NVT supplied a wrench specifically for tightening the rear wheel spindle, this wrench is 3" from the centre of the handle to the centre of the ring that fits over the spindle nut. I've always used this wrench to tighten my T160's rear wheel spindles; the T160 I bought brand-new in 1977 still has its original speedo. drive, that the spindle slides though without any problem; the T160 I bought in 1982 still has the (original?) speedo. drive it came to me with, that the spindle slides though without any problem.

Standard triples make about 10 bhp more than standard 750 twins. Tightening the spindle nut with the toolkit wrench, never any problem with either T160's spindle moving in the swinging arm slots, nor any collapsing rear wheel adjusters; although, if the latter concerns you, thicker "heavy duty" adjusters are available.

The '77 twins' standard toolkit is very similar to the T160's; however, regrettably the Co-op didn't include the T160's rear wheel spindle wrench; (n) nevertheless, it's available new - part # 60-4531. (y)

Btw, the other handy thing about that wrench is the open-ender at the other end is the size for the nut that connects the speedo. cable to the drive and the fuel tap nuts to tank and hose spigots. (y)

Hth.

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Regarding lifting the machine the BEST money I ever spent was on a lift table. Bought it used from a shop I worked at almost 25 years ago. Never liked the ones that operate like an automotive jack. In the past I have used the "rocking" method to get onto a board. Also putting the c'stand on a board and lifting the machine at the lifting handle. (I was in MUCH better shape at the time.)

Regarding the speedo drive. Keep in mind the machine in question is a '77 T140V. I am not going going to address the drive removal only T140 machines rear wheels. While '76 thru the end wheels are the same they are not the same and may not be interchanged, in some cases, without other items also being changed.

76/77 had a lighter gauge spoke used than later years

76 thru part of 78 used a Smith's speedometer and speedometer drive.

During 1978 Veglia speedometer and speedometer drives were introduced. Also as the Veglia drive is taken of the hubs driveside there's a change to the driveside hub. Smith's drives took the feed off the timingside part of the hub. While I don't specifically remember I believe the later 78s(and maybe 79's) wheel's would take either drive.

K

Note a T140V Veglia drive can be used on a bike with a Smith's speedometer as can Smith's T140 drive be used on a bike with a Veglia speedometer. The only thing is the the drive must match the hub.

79 to the end Veglia speedometer and drives were used.

K
 
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