SAI removal not quite as expected

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triumph rookie

Discussion Starter · Apr 26, 2016

So I dove in last night, my first real stab at mods: removed the SAI system and installed the TTP plugs. Used the Delboy's Garage vid as a guide. One difference threw me (it doesn't take much): his bike (Scrambler?) had the solenoid fitted onto the same bracket as a coil (the solenoid slides onto plastic pegs). My T-100 has no sign of that coil in that spot -- just the solenoid, which, like him, I kept.

Does this mean I can scrap that entire solenoid, complete with the bracket? (I'll be doing the TTP retune to deactivate the warning light of course)

Thanks.

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Cotal

· #2 · Apr 26, 2016

even with the ttp tune, there isn't a place to deactivate signal from the solenoid so you will have a warning light even if you check in the tune sai removed I am pretty sure. I would leave the solenoid in place like delboy did so it can still send signal it is there and you don't get a warning light. maybe just attach with a ziptie like delboy did. That's how I did my scrambler.

triumph rookie

Discussion Starter · #3 · Apr 26, 2016

My understanding is the TTP will handle the SAI removal, solenoid included. I did zip-tie it away for now. Curious about that coil in the Delboy video. Where's mine, I wonder?

Forchetto

· #4 · Apr 26, 2016

triumph rookie said:
My understanding is the TTP will handle the SAI removal, solenoid included.

The TTP or TuneECU SAI delete facility will only cancel the engine check light feature that detects the solenoid and lights up if it's removed.

The solenoid will still be powered and will click away unless removed following software delete.

triumph rookie

Discussion Starter · #5 · Apr 26, 2016

That's how I understood it. Thanks for a wording it much better than I did, Forchetto. So I assume I can remove that solenoid, bracket and all? And where's that Delboy-video coil, then, on my T-100? Further forward on the top frame rail, perhaps?

Forchetto

· #6 · Apr 27, 2016

triumph rookie said:
And where's that Delboy-video coil, then, on my T-100? Further forward on the top frame rail, perhaps?

The scrambler in the video has two ignition coils, being a 270º engine, your T100 is a 360º engine and only has one coil.

badgame

· #7 · Apr 27, 2016 (Edited)

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the holding systèm.just slipped.

to remove AI. just disconnect the AI connector. take care.fragile and tight.
I put a little w40. waited a little.shaken gently. pinched the clip. and it just comes

not having the alarm dashboard. a lure

no alarm .. right

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Forchetto

· #8 · Apr 27, 2016

Good photos, thanks. Is that a shop-bought resistor device to plug instead of the solenoid, or did you make it yourself? if so, what resistor value did you use?.

badgame

· #9 · Apr 27, 2016 (Edited)

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@Forchetto:
it is a shop-bought resistor.
buy here
(if shipping costs are too high for the usa.I always look at how much is the cost if I buy myself and then I send you.
if it can save some money. as if someone needs something (tool or metric screws), ask me; with pleasure.

http://www.britishlegends.fr/fr/kit-elimination-ais-twins-triumph.html?id=34508652&quantity=1

tuto
https://app.box.com/s/ovjynn9cg81cnmj96wej

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Forchetto

· #10 · Apr 27, 2016

Great, thanks. It looks as if they've used the higher value resistors as we found out later were suitable, probably 470 Ohms.

Originally it was thought 47 Ohms were needed and therefore the resistor had to be of a much higher wattage. Here's a commercial example sold in the US, look at the size of that

:

http://bellacorse.com/shop/custom-p...eedmaster/engine/efi-ai-solenoid-bypass-plug/

https://www.newbonneville.com/html/ai_removal_kit.html

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badgame

· #11 · Apr 27, 2016

@Forchetto:

when I'll clean the bike, I'll disassemble the shop resistor and measure it.
to see how much the value is. effectively,mine is easier to fix and hide on the frame.

triumph rookie

Discussion Starter · #12 · Apr 27, 2016

Very nice. But is there any advantage to using a resistor over disabling the alarm/warning light with a TTP tune?

AmericanTriumph

· #13 · Apr 28, 2016

I Have that resister from New Bonneville, its a bit smaller than what i looks like in the pic. I got it before i had access to a windows based laptop for tune ECU. I think it was like 20$ or so, and plug and play. Easy peasy if you don't want to go the lap top tune ECU route.

badgame

· #14 · Apr 28, 2016

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triumph rookie said:
Very nice. But is there any advantage to using a resistor over disabling the alarm/warning light with a TTP tune?

this is another opportunity for those who do not use (or want) the TTP tune.you can also let the solenoid in place & let it connect.
then:no resister. no TTP. and no alarm.
just a few grams more.:laugh2 but the ideal is all removed.
the dealer just inject a triumph map. work perfect with my TOR & a BMC air Filter.
why I used a resistor and not TTP?.
I use a Mac at home and the TTP software is expected for a PC ..
oh, I know .. we can change their mac for it to work as a PC.
but if I chose a mac .. it is mainly for not having ....:grin2:
But this is another story.

my air filter:

TOR:

you may simply remove these parts:

and keep up the solenoid.it runs empty. that's all.

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ThruxtonNewbie

· #15 · Apr 28, 2016

So I have done the SAI removal on my Thruxton, updated the tune via TTP and just disconnected the AI and did not plug it with a resistor. Am I doing harm? No engine light and no issues with the bike but want to make sure I don't blow up the flux capacitor or the gugugulator ;-)

triumph rookie

Discussion Starter · #16 · May 1, 2016

I think you're okay, fellow newbie. I noticed you didn't say you did the o2 removal. Or TTP's Breathe bellmouth to replace the stock snorkel (air filter cover). Which TTP tune did you get?

ThruxtonNewbie

· #17 · May 3, 2016

O2 removed and removed airbox and replaced with K&N cones. Running tune 12 for my 2014 Thruxton. Love it, only complaint is the gas mileage which seems quite low, around 28 MPG running 93 octane.

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