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I wonder if thats why i have seen this phenomenon with harleys a number of times. I'll be on the freeway and see a HD cruising along at normal speeds and it will be in a perpetual speed wobble. i have seen this many times and it's scary. Not like a speed wobble thats necessarily going to mean imminent danger, but you can easily see it. I once saw a group of 4 HD's and 3 were doing that. I once saw a HD down on the freeway with apparently no car involved and wondered if that had anything to do with it. I also have a friend with a dyna model and he isn't afraid to tell me his bike scares him in the way it handles even in a straight line on the freeway. I recently went camping with him and on the freeway he was under the speed limit by 5 MPH most of the way. I had to keep slowing down and waiting for him. he later told me he had to due to the road conditions and the fact his bike couldn't handle it well. The road was normal ! So maybe thats the issue.
His bike is probably out of alignment or his tires need balancing. Tell him to check the alignment and get some dyna beads for the tires. My Dyna would cruise all day at 80 like a charm.
 

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HD Dyna is an anchor with two long lines attached especially in the twisties, who you trying to kid. It's not a HOG it's a PIG! The only thing we could catch on an HD was a cold being out in the weather waiting for the station retrival truck. Anyone who says anything different, hasn't ever tried to ride one fast for a purpose. That's only if you could keep it togather long enough to attempt it.
 

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Guys, why is it that whenever someone says something favorable about a Harley it turns into a Harley bashing session. I have made comments from the experiences I have had riding and owning many bikes over the years. Dazco picked up the gist of my comment and I agree with his reply .We then get someone make a blanket statement about a well respected and trusted brand and indeed a brand which is probably synonymous with motorcycles stating thye are a Pig.

This displays bias and ignorance which should not be present in a motorcycling community. I like all bikes.

I particularly like Triumphs and have since my first Bonny in 1969 but this does not preclude me from liking and seeing the merits of other brands. If I had to nominate one of the most fun bikes I have owned it woould have to ba Hodaka Combat Wombat, all 125 cc's of it but that does not make it a better or worse bike than any other make.The most enjoyable all purpose bike was a BMC R100Cs but I am not a fan of the new model BMs.

Triumphs are good bikes and you get what you pay for. Value is in the eye of the purchaser and to a lot of people $40-$50k is not a huge amount but to others it is a fortune.Triumphas are well priced and good value for money.

Enjoy the ride and appreciate the other brands out there becuase all bikes are good and remember a second class ride is better than a first class walk!
 

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Since the beginning of time man has raced, on foot, canoe, ships, horses, camels, you name it. Is it any wonder that we want the motorcycle between our legs to be the best or fastest, or at least faster than that guy over there!? I don't think this is Harley bashing. This is guys taking pride in their rides and being vocal about "mine is better and faster and sexier than yours." I think it is pretty safe to say that dollar for dollar you get more from the TBird. Sure, there might be a few HD's that are faster - but if I put as many $$ into my TBird as are into their HD's then once again I would only see them in my riew view mirror. It's not even close in that respect. These are mechanical facts, not bashing.

What I do have a problem with is the HD "culture" - the Harley only rides - the "you can't join our club or ride with us unless HD is on your bike." That attitude turns me off HD's. I have met so many big ugly tattoo'd brutes who act and talk like they didn't get past an 8th grade education and are convinced HD is the best bike in the world no matter what - and none of it is based on educated fact - it's blind love and that is fine until you start pushing it on me and telling me riding a British or Asian bike in America is disprespectful to Americans and HD crowd. Now you crossed the line from bike talk to bullying and harrassment - hmmm how many Triumph riders you think would talk or act that way towards others?? I very proudly wear some sort of Triumph gear when I ride - or a hat, T-shirt, sweatshirt with Triumph logo after I get off my bike because I do NOT want to be confused with a Harley rider when I am off my bike walking around.
 

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Guys, why is it that whenever someone says something favorable about a Harley it turns into a Harley bashing session. I have made comments from the experiences I have had riding and owning many bikes over the years. Dazco picked up the gist of my comment and I agree with his reply .We then get someone make a blanket statement about a well respected and trusted brand and indeed a brand which is probably synonymous with motorcycles stating thye are a Pig.

This displays bias and ignorance which should not be present in a motorcycling community. I like all bikes.

I particularly like Triumphs and have since my first Bonny in 1969 but this does not preclude me from liking and seeing the merits of other brands. If I had to nominate one of the most fun bikes I have owned it woould have to ba Hodaka Combat Wombat, all 125 cc's of it but that does not make it a better or worse bike than any other make.The most enjoyable all purpose bike was a BMC R100Cs but I am not a fan of the new model BMs.

Triumphs are good bikes and you get what you pay for. Value is in the eye of the purchaser and to a lot of people $40-$50k is not a huge amount but to others it is a fortune.Triumphas are well priced and good value for money.

Enjoy the ride and appreciate the other brands out there becuase all bikes are good and remember a second class ride is better than a first class walk!
I feel compelled to bash harleys everytime I get a chance!

All the crap I had to deal with from harley riders over the years has made me bitter to the brand and anyone with the harley mentality!
 

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Guys, why is it that whenever someone says something favorable about a Harley it turns into a Harley bashing session. I have made comments from the experiences I have had riding and owning many bikes over the years. Dazco picked up the gist of my comment and I agree with his reply .We then get someone make a blanket statement about a well respected and trusted brand and indeed a brand which is probably synonymous with motorcycles stating they're are a Pig.

This displays bias and ignorance which should not be present in a motorcycling community. I like all bikes.

I particularly like Triumphs and have since my first Bonny in 1969 but this does not preclude me from liking and seeing the merits of other brands. If I had to nominate one of the most fun bikes I have owned it would have to ba Hodaka Combat Wombat, all 125 cc's of it but that does not make it a better or worse bike than any other make.The most enjoyable all purpose bike was a BMC R100Cs but I am not a fan of the new model BMs.

Triumphs are good bikes and you get what you pay for. Value is in the eye of the purchaser and to a lot of people $40-$50k is not a huge amount but to others it is a fortune.Triumphas are well priced and good value for money.

Enjoy the ride and appreciate the other brands out there because all bikes are good and remember a second class ride is better than a first class walk!
It's not bashing, it's fact. You just choose to ignore it because of your personal biasness. I put more miles on HD's in 5 years then you'll do in two lifetimes.

Nearly all my fellow officers I included were never so happy when the departments finally decided to removed them from service and replaced them. We endured the maintenance problems, longevity issues and ever increasing cost to the taxpayers, all because city officials and politicians wanted to pinch a penny and got the HD fleet deal.

Now we have a tool which handles the rigors of our use. The change not only gave us the added safety but a true performance edge on the road.

It has nothing to do with ignorance or biasness, except on your behalf. The simple facts are, many departments have and are replacing them throughout the country. You're very welcome to believe what you desire but you aren't speaking from the view point of extensive experience.

We don't ride them like cruiser boys. We ride and use them like a tool, they're not babied. Many are on duty round the clock six to seven days a week and only taken off the road long enough to service it.

HD's don't stand up to this type of use.

What's extremely interesting; is you always find the need to bring up a comparison between the two bikes, as if it's a necessity. Just like you did on this occasion.
 

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It's not bashing, it's fact. You just choose to ignore it because of your personal biasness. I put more miles on HD's in 5 years then you'll do in two lifetimes.

Nearly all my fellow officers I included were never so happy when the departments finally decided to removed them from service and replaced them. We endured the maintenance problems, longevity issues and ever increasing cost to the taxpayers, all because city officials and politicians wanted to pinch a penny and got the HD fleet deal.

Now we have a tool which handles the rigors of our use. The change not only gave us the added safety but a true performance edge on the road.

It has nothing to do with ignorance or biasness, except on your behalf. The simple facts are, many departments have and are replacing them throughout the country. You're very welcome to believe what you desire but you aren't speaking from the view point of extensive experience.

We don't ride them like cruiser boys. We ride and use them like a tool, they're not babied. Many are on duty round the clock six to seven days a week and only taken off the road long enough to service it.

HD's don't stand up to this type of use.

What's extremely interesting; is you always find the need to bring up a comparison between the two bikes, as if it's a necessity. Just like you did on this occasion.
Well part of what being on a forum is all about is discussing things. So we discuss them. We agree. We disagree. But what we mostly don't do is get our panties in a wad over how other folks agree or disagree. A heated discussion and disagreement is great in my opinion as long as it stays respectful. I do know why we compare and as long as they make both brands the comparisons will continue. The top magazines and writers take pictures, videos and write articles comparing our bikes - so of course we are going to compare them.

That bein said there is a motorcycle cop that often runs traffic in front of my house during school hours in the morning and while he is completely happy with his BMW service bike - he pulls into my driveway every chance he gets for a glimpse of my TBird and some conversation about the bikes differences.
 

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Since the beginning of time man has raced, on foot, canoe, ships, horses, camels, you name it. Is it any wonder that we want the motorcycle between our legs to be the best or fastest, or at least faster than that guy over there!? I don't think this is Harley bashing. This is guys taking pride in their rides and being vocal about "mine is better and faster and sexier than yours." I think it is pretty safe to say that dollar for dollar you get more from the TBird. Sure, there might be a few HD's that are faster - but if I put as many $$ into my TBird as are into their HD's then once again I would only see them in my riew view mirror. It's not even close in that respect. These are mechanical facts, not bashing.

What I do have a problem is the HD "culture" - the Harley only rides - the "you can't join our club or ride with us unless HD is on your bike." That attitude turns me off HD's. I have met so many big ugly tattoo'd brutes who act and talk like they didn't get past an 8th grade education and are convinced HD is the best bike in the world no matter what - and none of it is based on educated fact - it's blind love and that is fine until you start pushing it on me and telling me riding a British or Asian bike in America is disprespectful to Americans and HD crowd. Now you crossed the line from bike talk to bullying and harrassment - hmmm how many Triumph riders you think would talk or act that way towards others?? I very proudly wear some sort of Triumph gear when I ride - or a hat, T-shirt, sweatshirt with Triumph logo after I get off my bike because I do NOT want to be confused with a Harley rider when I am off my bike walking around.
Well part of what being on a forum is all about is discussing things. So we discuss them. We agree. We disagree. But what we mostly don't do is get our panties in a wad over how other folks agree or disagree. A heated discussion and disagreement is great in my opinion as long as it stays respectful. I do know why we compare and as long as they make both brands the comparisons will continue. The top magazines and writers take pictures, videos and write articles comparing our bikes - so of course we are going to compare them.

That bein said there is a motorcycle cop that often runs traffic in front of my house during school hours in the morning and while he is completely happy with his BMW service bike - he pulls into my driveway every chance he gets for a glimpse of my TBird and some conversation about the bikes differences.
Isn't this a bit of two faced on your part Daryl?

Why then are your panties in a wad, mine aren't. I don't see this as a heated dicussion either. When people make non-valid blanket statements as you have, they should be ready to accept counter opinions or factual statement to the contrary.

Coming out one side of your mouth is; a typical personal bashing of HD riders in general with absolutely no factual basis. Out of the other side your attempting to correct or chastise others for their factual long term experiences. I was speaking directly about the ineffectiveness of the HD as a patrol unit and said nothing about Harley rider's their culture or the personal idiosyncrasies in general. You obviously felt compelled to do so.

You made a blatant personal attack on all HD riders in general. Something I'm not knowledgable or have enough hubris to do.

I would say before you decide to give others advice regarding posting comments or forum etiquette, you might want to get your own house in order first. Or did I misunderstand your quote and the quoting of my post?

I don't think anyone here, including myself requires your unabridged advice of forum etiquette or just how to conduct themselves while posting a disagreement with with another's opinion. By your previous comments regarding "Harley riders," which I might add is totally off topic, you just might need a bit of improvement in this particular area. Refer previous paragraph in italics

If I think I'll need your personal advice then I'll be sure to ask, comprende amigo?

I'm not particularly interested or impressed with a boots officer having interest in your T-Bird. It doesn't carry any special meaning or weight with me one way or another.

What does trouble me is; your personal acceptance regarding his lack of integrity. He's there for a purpose and should be following his posting orders, by observing his station for the morning. Additionally to perform a civic duty which he's sworn and paid to do. His duty and responsibities are to monitor traffic around the school zone, not have a lengthy chat at every opportunity with you regarding motorcycles, especially on duty.

If he was one of my boots officer, he'd be chastised for his behavior and conduct.

So as you can see, you and I have a very large difference of opinion regarding civil responsiblity and forum etiquette but then I'm only stating the obvious.
 

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It looks like a raw nerve has been hit. First, I am not defending or chastising any particular bike or bike culture. I live in Australia and we really don't have an us versus them mentality with riders of any particular brand of bike.

I recently spent a month in the States and noted the huge number of HDs compared with other marques. Strangely enough most of the riders appeared to be regular people on motorbikes. Yes, I saw the odd ratbag but I also saw a lot of homeless people wandering around too. It didn't make me think all Americans were homeless , only some and likewise with the bike riders.

I think Vain Cyrus is off on a tangent and is misunderstanding this whole thread and perhaps needs to mellow a bit.Yes, from his comments I can see he is a very experienced motorcyclist and has ridden more miles/kilometere than anyone else in a short 5 years span. As an officer, I would have thought his training would have shown him how to interpret and understand basic comments.

This forum is supposed to be fun, enlightening and a source of knowledge about our bike so how about taking a chill pill and enjoy what we have.
 

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It looks like a raw nerve has been hit. First, I am not defending or chastising any particular bike or bike culture. I live in Australia and we really don't have an us versus them mentality with riders of any particular brand of bike.

I recently spent a month in the States and noted the huge number of HDs compared with other marques. Strangely enough most of the riders appeared to be regular people on motorbikes. Yes, I saw the odd ratbag but I also saw a lot of homeless people wandering around too. It didn't make me think all Americans were homeless , only some and likewise with the bike riders.

I think Vain Cyrus is off on a tangent and is misunderstanding this whole thread and perhaps needs to mellow a bit.Yes, from his comments I can see he is a very experienced motorcyclist and has ridden more miles/kilometere than anyone else in a short 5 years span. As an officer, I would have thought his training would have shown him how to interpret and understand basic comments.

This forum is supposed to be fun, enlightening and a source of knowledge about our bike so how about taking a chill pill and enjoy what we have.
+1. This thread should probably be locked because i know what happens after this typically. we should move on but i fear we won't. Mods?
 

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You guys left out one important factor in this race.. power to weight ratio.

Congrats on having the lightest wife! :)
 

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I recently spent a month in the States and noted the huge number of HDs compared with other marques. Strangely enough most of the riders appeared to be regular people on motorbikes. Yes, I saw the odd ratbag but I also saw a lot of homeless people wandering around too. It didn't make me think all Americans were homeless, only some and likewise with the bike riders.
Good for you, then there's no need for you to stereotype others and I presume this is directed on Daryls behalf.

I think Vain Cyrus is off on a tangent and is misunderstanding this whole thread and perhaps needs to mellow a bit.
No I didn't misunderstand anything you've said, it was pretty clear. It might be beneficial to others and yourself, if you would heed your own advice.

It looks like a raw nerve has been hit
There's no raw nerve been hit on my part. Which is even a poorer assumption on your part. I submit by quoting post #23, you're actually the one with the raw nerve. You originally guided this topic of discussion away from it's original intent with your comparison. There are those who speak from experience instead of personal bias. Particularly those regarding the HD.

Guys, why is it that whenever someone says something favorable about a Harley it turns into a Harley bashing session
Maybe you shouldn't be so touchy with people's personal opinions regarding HD's. This isn't the first time you've made such comments and then tried to shadow them under general neutrality as part of the discussion. Ah but I digress.

As an officer, I would have thought his training would have shown him how to interpret and understand basic comments.
Last and certainly not least, until you're sitting in front of a person where you can hear their voice inflections, see their mannerisms, and read their body language, you really need to keep your unqualified assumptions and public defamation to yourself, especially those regarding my professional training and expertise. It's borderline libelous and counter productive to a healthy respectful discussion. It's also a demeaning attempt to place your intellectual values above others.

Yes, from his comments I can see he is a very experienced motorcyclist and has ridden more miles/kilometer than anyone else in a short 5 years span.
No, I specifically stated you, not everyone else.
I put more miles on HD's in 5 years then you'll do in two lifetimes.
One thing we're trained to do quite well is; listen to people and their comments then discern their particular meaning. I've listened for to your comments for quite along time as they standout like a sore thumb. You have a history of affiliation with bias HD comments. Those are the facts.

You need to realize neither of us are in a competition of who's right or wrong unless you wish to make it so. It's simply a non-personal discussion mixed with opinions and facts.

Now, if you'd like to carry on a civil discussion as it was intended and not attempt to direct a discussion regarding HD's, or make unqualified comments regarding the quality of my professional training, I'll be happy to reciprocate.
 

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You guys left out one important factor in this race.. power to weight ratio.

Congrats on having the lightest wife! :)

Actually, I'm pretty sure you are right on that assumption, plus I believe all of my buddies involved had me by 40 or more pounds...
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I recently spent a month in the States and noted the huge number of HDs compared with other marques. Strangely enough most of the riders appeared to be regular people on motorbikes. Yes, I saw the odd ratbag but I also saw a lot of homeless people wandering around too. It didn't make me think all Americans were homeless , only some
Come on up to Ohio where I live next time and you can see lots of Harley riders who look like they are homeless.....:D j/k...sort of. :eek:
 

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You should check out the HD guys in L.A. There are a ton of them with big time attitude. I've run into quite a few and I never run into those types on any other bike other than HD. That said, even tho there are a lot of them, they are a relatively small percentage of HD riders when you consider that probably 50% of the bikes on the road here are harleys.
 

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Vain perhaps you should spend more time here - and you would see more fun and level headed guys than I have found in any other forum. You in fact started this whole thing by saying we Harley bash at every opportunity without facts. You will find more detailed facts about bikes down to every nut and bolt, weight distribution, quality of build from crank bearings to spark plug wires. Most of what I read and participate in on here is based on fact. So you jumped in on really in the middle of a few years worth of conversation among some guys that know each other fairly well. I don't know you - that was the first post I saw and if I am wrong then I am truly sorry - but it "appeared" you were another Harley guy in the wrong forum trying to tell us how we should speak in our forum. My feelings and observations are just that mine. My experiences, and if that is what I have seen and experienced with the Harley crowd - than that is what I have experienced. Lots of Hells Angels around there - is that everyone, of course not. But lots of "support your local red and white stickers" running around too. I don't want to be any part of that. My choice. Not anyone elses, and if I want to express my choice and the reasons why then that is my right to do so on a forum. A forum by definition would be the correct place to do it. If you on the other hand are the only one having a problem with the conversation than you can remove yourself from our forum and then you wont' feel the need to correct us.

About this officer - let me be clear, and make a confession. We talked about bikes twice - he expressed a desire to see my bike and he came over to see it once - briefly because I parked it out on the street. Then said he needed to get back to his hiding spot to get stop light runners. These motorcycle officers were running our neighborhood at the neighborhood's express wishes for them to do this very thing. They did not leave their post. I approached them to thank them. He stopped to see my bike AFTER writing a ticket and on his way back to his post. Him and his partner have received letters of thanks from me and other neighbors to their chief so it will go into their personnel file. I have since received a letter from the acting chief thanking us for our letters.

I have a feeling - that if we were to meet in person we would be fine - for some reason on there it isn't so - you went from us Harley bashing (which I submit to you is because you read one thing out of context and haven't done your homework) to ripping me and officers that you haven't met and how you would reprimand them. Shame on you. Talk about getting your panties in a wad and going off on a tangent. I stand by what I said. I would also encourage you to find a forum full of guys that just want to be ripped for their comments. I'm glad you aren't a police officer in my town. We don't need that kind of angry bad attitude protecting and serving.

I believe somewhere on this forum is a checkbox to permenantly ignore members - and you sir are one more stupid post from getting that checkmark. Good day.
 

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Sorry guys but my original comment was directed to ThunderRat about us Harley bashing. I don't feel we do that here, I've been here long enough to know that. Most of us throw comments about Harley's but we know each other well enough to know what we're about. Geez Dazco you made a comment awhile back about being able to beat a Harley with your Honda Accord. It was fun! And we took it that way.

Vain you took it upon yourself to rip into me and I wasn't even talking to you - my comment was to ThunderRat and he's cool. But you and your clip art to "classroom" us all together - I don't get it. I don't get it at all. I thoroughly enjoy the discussion on here for the most part but I'm not sure anyone enjoys the clip art and dissection. From where I come from it's called nitpicking - and everyone loves those guys!!!
 
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