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Some time ago Motorrad, Germany and Europe's biggest motor magazine, tested the new Tiger. They were very impressed, but not with the brakes. Read here

Well, Motorrad tested the Tiger with updated brakes, and they were satisfied: "Sie bremst doch".

Triumph, after being confronted with the fading brakes, decided to change the brakes of the Tiger. It now gets the same brakes as the Daytona 675, which were tested very good.
And indeed, the new spec brakes are now up to the task. According to Motorrad they are a lot better, and they cant wish for more. Except for ABS of course.
Tiger apparently promised to update also the bikes already delivered. For no extra charge. So make sure you new Tiger owners get the update.

BTW, I am happy to inform you that I have put my money where my mouth is: I just ordered a KTM 990 Adventure. Black, with ABS, but with the heightened suspension of the 'S' model. Lot of extras, amongst which crash bars and of course Akrapovic exhausts. To be delivered in a week or two.

It's been a pleasure hanging out here. Ciao!
 

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Everybody has their own opinion based upon their biases. According to the British magazine Bike, Triumph purposely did not use the 675 's pads to reduce initial Bite. That situation gave the Magazine's riders " confidence" braking in the rain.I haven't seen anything about them fading which I think is a different issue from "bite". The German's also complained about the lack of a slipper clutch. I have just put one on my 675 for track use and I see no need for it on the street for the bikes with more than 2 cylinders and stock gearing.. My 00 Sprint St with 2 up gearing in the rear and 1 down in the front never chatters upon downshifting, unlike my 996....My ABS 07 should be here soon .... not going to worry about the brakes.
 

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I just saw the new Tiger in blue and love it. No demos yet.

I'm sure you will enjoy the KTM, the local dealer just put the new models on display. Quality is very nice, but pretty pricey. This brake issue has to be put to bed by Triumph. This is not new technology and the pennies saved are causing way too much negative feed back. The standard is easily obtained using the same vendors they are using now. To have such a great line lose reviewer/owner points for this indicates a much needed arse kicking down at the bean counter offices.

Best of luck, I hope the extra money provides that much more value in the long run for you. Check in with a review of how she treats you.

BobW
 

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@ CooperEd, best advice I can give you is to check at your local dealer. But from what I read in Motorrad, Triumph will have solved it already or will take care of it later.

@ playinthestreet, I am glad you are happy as you are. But for the type of rider I am, I would want the best possible brakes there are. And if there is an update, get it.

@ KevinH, if you still have to pick up your bike, I guess Triumph has already fitted the new brakes. But you have ABS too, so dont worry.

@ BobW, thanks for the 'best wishes', I know I have made the right choice, for me at least. I will keep you guys posted.
 

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Hi Durk

I'm with Bobw. Congratulations on choosing a bike you think is right for you.

Let us know what the Katoom is like to own from an ex tigger owners point of view.
 

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Good luck with the new bike, Durk. I hope that you can live with the fuelling though!

Tiger brakes can be improved by better pads etc but I agree that you should not have to do this on a new bike. I upgraded my Steamer brakes and the difference was very noticable. My 06 has OK brakes but I will be fitting EBC HHs soon.

I've found that the Katoom brakes may be better at the front end but the rear on the KTM is no match for the rear on the 06 Tiger. I tend to use my rear brake on the Tiger so perhaps others may not notice this difference so much!

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On 2007-02-19 14:43, Durk wrote:
Some time ago Motorrad, Germany and Europe's biggest motor magazine, tested the new Tiger. They were very impressed, but not with the brakes. Read here

Well, Motorrad tested the Tiger with updated brakes, and they were satisfied: "Sie bremst doch".

Triumph, after being confronted with the fading brakes, decided to change the brakes of the Tiger. It now gets the same brakes as the Daytona 675, which were tested very good.
And indeed, the new spec brakes are now up to the task. According to Motorrad they are a lot better, and they cant wish for more. Except for ABS of course.
Tiger apparently promised to update also the bikes already delivered. For no extra charge. So make sure you new Tiger owners get the update.

BTW, I am happy to inform you that I have put my money where my mouth is: I just ordered a KTM 990 Adventure. Black, with ABS, but with the heightened suspension of the 'S' model. Lot of extras, amongst which crash bars and of course Akrapovic exhausts. To be delivered in a week or two.

It's been a pleasure hanging out here. Ciao!
Durk, can you tell in which issue of Motorrad you read this?
Thanks!
 

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@ Advwannabe, (nice name, why dont you buy a KTM and become an adventurist ;) I will keep you posted.

@ Jon, I am lucky enough to not be scared by of the thirst of the KTM. Nor by other known (or unknown) issues of the Austrian bike, like the waterpump, the startengine asf.
Btw, I almost never use my rear brake. Only to keep the bike stable under braking, or when I want to ride 'supermoto-style'.

I just want to have fun, and the KTM gives me more fun than any other bike.

About brakes, I havent ridden the new Tiger yet but the brakes of the old Tiger arent that good. The times that I was racing my motorbuddy Wilco (who rides a BMW 1200 GS) on hairpins in the Alps or Dolomites, I could only win or keep up with him thanks to my enoooormous big heart (to brake later than would be recommended ;)

But sometimes the BMW would also win thanks to the lower gearing. In very tight hairpins he could stay in second gear when I had to go to first ..

[ This message was edited by: Durk on 2007-02-20 08:57 ]
 

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@ Cornelis

its the latest issue of Motorrad, number 5/2007. Guess it must hit the shops now, cause I got it just yesterday by mail.
 

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On 2007-02-20 09:00, Durk wrote:
@ Cornelis

its the latest issue of Motorrad, number 5/2007. Guess it must hit the shops now, cause I got it just yesterday by mail.
Thanks Durk,
I buy the magazine regularly, when there's anything of interest in it for me. I saw the very latest number on the shop's rack this afternoon, but couldn't find anything about the Tiger. Would like to see or read it it before I speak to my dealer on this, as I will take delivery of my yellow Tiger later this week. Could you point me in the right direction?
Thanks!
 

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Durk I called my dealer and they have no knowledge of the brake problem you talk about is there a service bulletin that they need to check or what is your source of info so I can forward it to them thanks tman :???:
 

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Durk,

I meant fuelling as in the way the injection handles on-off throttle at low speeds or idle. I'm sure you are aware of this.

I think the Katoom is an excellent bike and very nice to work on in every other respect. I found the 950 more pleasant to ride because of the FI issue on the 990 & the one I rode was supposed to have been improved by a recent upgrade+akras. Owners say you get used to it.

Jon
 
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Pad feel is based on the individual, not on the mechanical abililties of the brake system. Highly Sintered pads will deliver better braking as they heat up, where as organic pads will deliver better performance at lower brake temperatures. Organic pads will not wear the rotor excessively either.
Currently there are NO Service Bullitins in North America for the Tiger 1050. :cool:
 

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@ Cornelis, tman, and others:

Let me write down for you the whole (though small) piece as published in Motorrad, translated from German myself (sorry if i made any mistakes):

"Motorrad complained about the rather blunt ('stumpf') brakes, at both times we tested the bike (the single test, and the comparison test against the BMW, Buell, Ducati, KTM. Triumph acted immediately and decided to build the bike with new brake calipers, with carbon pistons instead of chrome. Easy, cause these brakes are already used on the Daytona 675. And they do just as fine as they are doing on the sportsbike. Clear pressure point, not much strength needed, and most of all much better controllable ('Dosierbarkeit'). The 'new' brakes are much better than the 'old' ones, the Motorrad test team tried them on the French mountain roads. Result: it excels.

And now it comes:
Tiger 1050's who are already delivered will be updated free of charge." (End of story)

So no word on when the update has taken place, and since when the brakes are fitted on the bike.
Because there is a new Motorrad issue every two weeks, it must have been recent 'news'. So maybe there is a service bulletin, but maybe there isnt (yet). I guess your dealer has to know the details. Or he has to find out.

@ Jon, I know the on-off 'problem', very noticeable below 4k rpm and especially annoying when riding offroad (though you get used to it).
KTM sort of acknowledges the problem, but hasnt come up with a solution yet (though it would be easy to update the mapping of the FI). So my dealer has done himself, using a Power Commander to 'soften' the injection. So now a 990 EFI rides as smooth as a 950 with carburetters !
 

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On 2007-02-19 14:43, Durk wrote:
Some time ago Motorrad, Germany and Europe's biggest motor magazine, tested the new Tiger. They were very impressed, but not with the brakes. Read here

Well, Motorrad tested the Tiger with updated brakes, and they were satisfied: "Sie bremst doch".

Triumph, after being confronted with the fading brakes, decided to change the brakes of the Tiger. It now gets the same brakes as the Daytona 675, which were tested very good.
And indeed, the new spec brakes are now up to the task. According to Motorrad they are a lot better, and they cant wish for more. Except for ABS of course.
Tiger apparently promised to update also the bikes already delivered. For no extra charge. So make sure you new Tiger owners get the update.

I decided to buy the issue in question, so I can inform you what it is about.
In the tests referred to - in which the Tiger was highly appreciated - the reporters were not completely satisfied with the brakes. They did NOT fade, but they criticised the 'feel' (too soft), a bit 'blunt', it didn't 'bite'. Triumph reacted and it is now fitting carbon-coated - instead of chrome-coated - brake pistons in the calipers, the ones that are fitted in the D675 too. A re-test by the magazine showed the brakes to be a lot better, they write that they have no wishes left! Included in the report is that Triumph will exchange the brake pistons in those cases where the chrome ones were fitted at the factory.
My dealer immediately checked both my non-ABS Tiger (which arrived in the first half of January) and the ABS Tiger that arrived today, and in both cases the carboncoated pistons were already there, so there's nothing to replace in these two cases.


[ This message was edited by: Cornelis on 2007-02-21 13:20 ]
 

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Durk wrote:

@ Advwannabe, (nice name, why dont you buy a KTM and become an adventurist ;) I will keep you posted.

Durk,

it's not what you ride, it's where and how you ride it that makes you an 'adventurist'.

May you and your new steed share many adventures.
 

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I couldnt agree more, Advwannebe, and to add to that:

"any bike (even the new Tiger ;)) can be taken offroad, the only question is how much fun you have doing it" :)

[ This message was edited by: Durk on 2007-02-23 07:02 ]
 

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What I've heard in the UK is that, if an owner complains about the feel of the brakes then Triumph will treat it like a warranty claim and replace the brakes. If you don't complain, you won't get them.
And, as Cornelis says, fade is not the issue. It's the feel of them.

[ This message was edited by: blacktiger on 2007-02-26 14:25 ]
 
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