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Hey everyone.

I was on here once before trying to decide if I should trade my CBR in for a Tiger. I decided against it because it's not sporty enough for me.

Let me give you a little history of myself:

I've been riding my whole life and have only liked sport bikes. I've tried a few cruisers but did not like them one bit. I'm 42 years old now and, although I still find sport bikes to be super comfy, I want to get a sport bike that is more touring oriented and can hold 2 people for a weekend trip. Nothing super far, but it would be great to be able to take a ride down to the keys without sacrificing comfort and storage room with 2 people.

I've always liked the looks of the Sprint. But, I'm worried mostly about the poor suspension it has when compared to the high tech suspension I have on my CBR.

I like to ride pretty fast, even with two people, and I like the bike to be able to handle the turns without the head shaking and the bike bouncing all over the place.

What do you all have to say about the unadjustable front standard forks and rear suspension. Is the rear suspension under sprung?

Thanks for everyone's help.

Tom
 

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Tom,

If you haven't ridden a 1050i Tiger, you need to. With and without your passenger. They run like hot stink! And, you can put hard bags on them.

Yes, they are 'undersprung'. It seems like everyone's bikes are.
 

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Tom,

I own an '04 Sprint ST and an '04 Daytona 955 as well.

I have done a lot of high speed two up stuff on my Sprint as I ride mostly in the hills and no highway riding to speak of.

If you don't think a Sprint can handle as well as a sports bike please view my tyre photos in my members album, click the bottom link in my sig.

There is IMHO far too much emphasis these days on USD forks etc.
On the road it makes little difference it is much more about rider ability that technical ability.

My Sprint has standard front forks running heavy 15wt oil and more than spec. If you know anything about sport riding or racing then you also know it is an advantage to have front forks that compress some as it steepens the geometry allowing faster turn.
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So you do want compression of the forks in deep trail braking to the apex but you do not want bouncey forks with little dampening.

Heavier oil is enough for me and I am 102kgs (I am loosing weight:)) and a very broad & stocky 5'10" build, my wife is about 65kgs.

My rear shock is the standard Showa but has been re built by a local suspension specialist and that cost me $170 AUD about 2 years and 41,000kms ago. The shock runs the standard spring with a 5mm spacer (raises the raer about 10 - 15mm) and has been revavlved and regassed etc.

This combination provides rock solid handling in all conditions at all speeds and we have some crappy roads here.

Check out the tyres and see if the fornt looks like I get any lean angle on it two up at speed.;)

Bottom line is the biggest thing is the Sprint is heavier than any sports bike by around 30kgs at least and with very little money spent can provide the handling that will keep most sports bike riders in your sites.

Cheers,
DaveM:cool:
 

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The part that worries me is that my 07 CBR has an electronic speed sensitive steering damper and the bike is rock solid. I'm a pretty good rider but the CBR can hit any turn with the rider sleeping, it's so unbelievably sturdy.

Before I had the CBR, I had a Ducati S2R1000. Wow, did that thing handle horribly. I put a 600 dollar steering damper on it and even then the bike would be all over the road if I did anymore more than breath when cornering. It had USD forks, but they were pretty much unadjustable. It was very difficult and took a lot of concentration to keep that thing settled.

Suspension makes a huge difference. Sure, with practice, a poor suspension bike could still take corners well. But, it is not fun and takes total concentration.

I can drag my knee on the CBR while in my sleep or looking at my GPS :) So easy, I don't even have to try. And that's certainly nice.

I don't mind it being a bit bigger. I've had 13 different bikes. I'm not really a knee dragger any more. I'm slowing down in my old age :) Sure, I still like spirited riding, but I'm more into taking nice rides to the Keys and the west coast. I just don't want a bike like the Ducati that's going to head shake and bounce all over the darn place and make me have to FOCUS on every tiny little bump in the road. The Ducati Monster was horrible. I don't want to spend the money going back into another mistake like that.

Perhaps I will take the Tiger for a ride also. The store owner of Pure-Triumph told me I can take his for a spin whenever I'd like. Maybe I'll go back down on Saturday and take his out.
 

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The part that worries me is that my 07 CBR has an electronic speed sensitive steering damper and the bike is rock solid. I'm a pretty good rider but the CBR can hit any turn with the rider sleeping, it's so unbelievably sturdy.

Before I had the CBR, I had a Ducati S2R1000. Wow, did that thing handle horribly. I put a 600 dollar steering damper on it and even then the bike would be all over the road if I did anymore more than breath when cornering. It had USD forks, but they were pretty much unadjustable. It was very difficult and took a lot of concentration to keep that thing settled.

Suspension makes a huge difference. Sure, with practice, a poor suspension bike could still take corners well. But, it is not fun and takes total concentration.

I can drag my knee on the CBR while in my sleep or looking at my GPS :) So easy, I don't even have to try. And that's certainly nice.

I don't mind it being a bit bigger. I've had 13 different bikes. I'm not really a knee dragger any more. I'm slowing down in my old age :) Sure, I still like spirited riding, but I'm more into taking nice rides to the Keys and the west coast. I just don't want a bike like the Ducati that's going to head shake and bounce all over the darn place and make me have to FOCUS on every tiny little bump in the road. The Ducati Monster was horrible. I don't want to spend the money going back into another mistake like that.

Perhaps I will take the Tiger for a ride also. The store owner of Pure-Triumph told me I can take his for a spin whenever I'd like. Maybe I'll go back down on Saturday and take his out.
Tom,

take my word for it you do not need a steering damper on a Sprint, it is;
1) heavier by a considerable margin than a Sports bike
2) it is longer and has less aggressive steering head angle
3) the way it makes it's power is very smooth through out the rev range it is not a ZX10 power delivery or hp for that matter.

You are miss judging a Sprint without riding it. As far as sports bikes are concerned the CBR is the easiest to ride by a long shot not requiring the amount of rider input that others require.

The Sprint is very easy to ride very fast once you have the correct suspension set up (like anything else).

It is one of the easiest bikes to ride I have ever owned, my last ride was a GSX R600 which I had for years.

Did you look at my photos?

DaveM:cool:
 

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I know, Dave.

I really like the Sprint, but I'm a little fearful. I liked the Ducati S2R1000 too. So, I spent 8 thousand dollars trading in my previous brand new bike for the S2R. It was a fun bike in the very beginning, but I quickly became disappointed. All everyone talked about on the Ducati Monster forum was how to upgrade its shortfalls. Re-raking the front, steering dampers, front and rear shock replacements, and so on. I thought "so, I spent 12 thousand dollars on an Italian bike that requires at least another 5K spent on it just so it runs right?"

It was so frustrating that I sold that and lost another 6 thousand dollars to get the CBR.

The CBR is flawless. It's just that I'm 42 and the CBR is a one up bike. I can't really go many places with it and taking a passenger is simply out of the question.

Plus, I don't ride it like it's meant to be ridden anymore. I'm still fast, but not like I used to be.

And I understand that the Sprint is not going to have the race ready suspension on it. And that's okay. I understand that I have to give up one thing to get another. Comfort, hard bags, passenger ready....these are great features too.

I'm just trying to keep myself from making the same mistake I made before. I don't want to blow another 6 grand and say "Oh, man...did I ever make a mistake"

The Ducati Monster is a great bike for the city. It's cool looking and sits well in traffic. But that's it. I hated it. It was like throwing money in the garabage disposal.

I just don't want to make that mistake again. I don't want to buy a bike and the very first thing I say to myself is "well, the front forks and rear shock have got to go". I don't want to stress about that stuff. I want to buy a bike and enjoy riding it without all the MOD stress.

Yeah, Man. That's a nice photo gallery. Do you like the Powers better than the Avons? I like Powers. I'm riding with the Conti Sport Attacks right now and they handle the EXACT same as Powers. But the lean angle is steeper on the Conti's. You'd have to scrape your engine on the pavement just to wear them down to the edges. 41% lean angle I think they say. I think Powers are like 46% or something. Not sure, but the Contis are shaped for the track.

Great photos though and parked along with those other Jap bikes.

Yours didn't come with hard bags? The Gel Seat is nice looking.

Thanks for those photos!!
 

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Gday Thumper, I too was in your situation.
My previous bike was a highly modified K6 GSXR1000, I decided I wanted a bike that my wife could comfortably pillion on and that we both could enjoy a weekend away on the bike with luggage etc.
Coming from a sportsbike back ground I still love corners so I wanted something that was still capable in the twistys.

I purchased my 06 sprint based on what I had read and heard instead of having a test ride so I was apprehensive wondering if it would be still spoty enough for my brief.

I should not have worried as the sprint is very capable in the twisties and I can keep up with my mates on sportsbikes without any problems at all.
I get a lot of satisfaction on leaving them in my wake and then rubbing it in that they just got smoked by a tourer. :D:D
Even though the suspension is very soft the bike still handles really good considering, I have only felt a bit of wallowing on faster sweepers.

I am 105kg and way to heavy for the standard suspension so I am in the process of upgrading the suspension which I have done on all my bikes any way. Despite this the bike still handles very well.
I have heavier springs coming for the front and will use some heavier oil 15wt to 20wt for the front and my tuner has a Daytona 955 rear shock that he is building up for me which is a direct replacement and is fully adjustable.
I went to an 18t front sprocket last week.
Once these mods are done the bike will be awesome.
All up these mods will cost me less than $300 AUD but most people can do these for $500 AUD which is pretty cheap.

A good tuner / suspension guy can get these forks to work just as good as fully adjustable ones.

I cant wait for this to be done as it will make a great bike even better.

Go the Sprint you wont be dissapointed.
 

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I know, Dave.

Yeah, Man. That's a nice photo gallery. Do you like the Powers better than the Avons? I like Powers. I'm riding with the Conti Sport Attacks right now and they handle the EXACT same as Powers. But the lean angle is steeper on the Conti's. You'd have to scrape your engine on the pavement just to wear them down to the edges. 41% lean angle I think they say. I think Powers are like 46% or something. Not sure, but the Contis are shaped for the track.

Great photos though and parked along with those other Jap bikes.

Yours didn't come with hard bags? The Gel Seat is nice looking.

Thanks for those photos!!
Thumper,

my preferred tyre is a Michelin Pilot Race medium on my Daytona 955 and Pilot Power 2CT on my Sprint.:)
The Pilot power is a sports tyre and has a much faster turn in than the Avons in the photos which are Azaros (great tyre but different purpose).

Contis do not have the grip of the Michelin Pilot Powers wet or dry and do not turn in as quick either. My front tyres on either bike have no chicken strips.

I am 49 and 105 kilos BTW.

No my model did not come with bags as standard and I do not have them nor want them.:)

cheers,
DaveM:cool:
 

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Thumper,

I have just bought a new Sprint, for many of the reasons you mention.

The decision was a tough one to make.

I looked at the VFR, but hated the VTEC.
Couldn't really afford a BMW.
The Ducati had dropped their ST tourers.
Moto Guzzi's same reason as BMW.
The FJR was too heavy, big and expensive.


I kept coming back to the Sprint and I'm glad I did. Had the bike for a ride day at Phillip Island a few weeks ago and was certainly competitive with the smaller bore sport bikes.

You need to test ride as many bikes as you can. All this discussion is just academic until you ride a Sprint. You might prefer another bike, once having ridden a few.

I can't recommend the Sprint highly enough, as above all else, it gives me a big grin when I ride it. It's got bags of power, which comes on like a freight train, the handling is stable and confidence inspiring, it sounds great, it comes with panniers, (although a bit small) and above all, it is a bit different (read.. not Japanese).

The only thing I would advise you check, is pillion comfort. The seat is big enough, but perched a bit high. Get the better half to go for a test ride also. If she's the funds manager, you'll have to make sure she's happy :D:D.

Good luck with the decision and get out there and test ride at least 5 bikes.
 

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I don't know what other bikes to test ride. The Kawi Concourse is Gold-Wingish sized and the Honda looks like a old mans bike and the Yamaha FJ looks a bit out dated and cumbersome. I wont buy another Ducati, have no interest in BMW and I'd never get a Moto. Those others are already out of the picture. The Sprint seems to have everything I want. It's basically a large sportbike with hard bags. I'm 6'2" 220 pounds so I'm a tall guy and the Sprint is super comfy (from sitting on it in the showroom). Maybe when I ride back over there next weekend, I'll see if they have a used one I can test ride. I have a ton of fun on my CBR so I'm in no rush to run out tomorrow and buy a new bike. I am taking my time. This has been going on for a while now. I originally wanted a Tiger and was on here asking a lot of the same questions.

I still am interested in the Tiger, but not as much as the Sprint. I like them both. I'm a tall guy and the Tiger would fit me nicely. I'd have to ride that though to see if it will suit my tastes. But, I doubt it. I will most likely end up going with the Sprint. There's really not anything to compare it to because I don't like anything else.
 

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Hey Thumper,

Go to Palm Beach Triumph and ask for George.. he is the owner and he will let you try out a Sprint. Thats how they hooked me ;)
I took a test drive on there DEMO 08 Sprint ABS ( which is now for sale at a hell of a price).

Check it out.. if George is not there, ask for Richard..


12550 S Military Trl # 8
Boynton Beach, FL 33436
(561) 638-8411


here is the bike I mentioned
 

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Great thanks. That's around Boynton Bch Blvd and Military, right? I've been there before. My ex-girlfriend got a TT600 from there when they first came out.
 

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its right off of Military and Atlantic...

George recently purchased that dealership.. real nice guys, and you can try the Sprint,Tiger, even the Rocket III if you wanna look at the cruiser side.. :eek:
 
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