Forgive me Geoff, but there are two things that I don't understand. First, how is it that cutting the stock bars helped to make them "a tad lower and more forward" exactly? As far as I can see, that only made them more narrow. Second, what exactly is the problem with the stock mirrors when used with aftermarket bars? If anything, the stock mirrors were better once I changed to NH M-Bars. In particular, the angle of the mirrors on the M-Bars was such that they were oriented more horizontally and wider giving me a better view of the world behind.I have been somewhat unhappy with the stock bar, and my first foray into the world of aftermarket handlebars was not that positive. I was thinking, just a tad lower and more forward would be perfect....so I cut that 1/2 inch off the end of the stock bars, just short of where the plug is. This seemingly small adjustment has made a real difference for me, and the stock mirrors (a problem with the aftermarket bars) work fine. Also no throttle issue, like I had with dimpled bars. I'm so happy with it, "I'm a-ridin"