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Having commented on the soft lever travel, sponginess etc a few times, my dealer ordered me the 5/8" MC replacement of their own accord and installed it yesterday.

They were all grinning at the dealer after they felt the difference. The brakes feel much better, alot firmer and with less initial travel. I can also reduce the reach on the brake lever by at least one notch (and probably two if I so wish) as I had previously extended it out as the lever could get pretty close to the bar. Now, the lever can NOT get nearly as close to the bar and is extremely firm when pulled hard.

So, I hope it works out as well for any others who are having this replacement done. Oh - all under warranty, of course.

Take care - BB
 

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Thanks for the info . . . sounds great so far. Let us know in a week or so, if any of the spongyness is returning. With my bike, can bleed the brake and the lever will fill great but within a few days the spongyness comes back. I'm really hoping this solution is a permanent fix.
 

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Yep - good point. Will do.

If any sponginess does return, I think I will have the pistons replaced whenever I get a new front tyre. From all I have read, it is the MC and/or the teflon-coated Daytona 675 pistons that seem to solve all braking ills. Some are happy with one - some report needing both.

Take care - BB
 

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Yes thanks for the report. I still haven't been by the dealer for my upgrade yet. Hopefully it helps, I will probably end up doing the pistons too sometime this year. Keep us posted.
 
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Had the swap from 14 mm to 5/8" a few month ago; seemed to have solved the brake problem for me. No spongy feeling anymore and no lever travel increase since 2000 km.

Although it's not a recall, Triumph Germany swaps the MC under warranty for every customer complaining to them.

Doesn't help with every bike, though.

Stefan
 

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I had the swap done yesterday.

My bike never really suffered the lever squeeze as badly as a few on this site. I wouldn't have described it as "spongey". But more as "sufficient" even with some hard 85-100 mph emergency stop practices.

After Ipicked it up. it was noticebly a more refined response.
it was way way better. the bike also went through a 6000km service.

cheers Triumph. good on yah for looking after us.
I bought a fancy belt buckle to celebrate your great service. :-D

[ This message was edited by: bakwheeltango on 2007-01-31 12:10 ]
 

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cheers Triumph. good on yah for looking after us.
I bought a fancy belt buckle to celebrate your great service.
After complaining about my brakes and suffering a complete brake failure Triumph still refused to acknowledge any of my brake issues. I sold my Sprint after 6 months of ownership, and now am really soured on the brand.

I'm GLAD to hear Triumph is FINALLY addressing this issue. Too bad it comes way too late for me, and cost me $4,000 in the depreciation hit I took on unloading a new motorcycle.
 

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On 2007-02-02 14:37, david_m wrote:
cheers Triumph. good on yah for looking after us.
I bought a fancy belt buckle to celebrate your great service.
After complaining about my brakes and suffering a complete brake failure Triumph still refused to acknowledge any of my brake issues. I sold my Sprint after 6 months of ownership, and now am really soured on the brand.

I'm GLAD to hear Triumph is FINALLY addressing this issue. Too bad it comes way too late for me, and cost me $4,000 in the depreciation hit I took on unloading a new motorcycle.
David_M I have read many of your posts. I understand that your pissed I would be too. I also feel bad for you misfortunate luck with your sprint. but 2 questions...

why are you still here?
what are you riding now?
 

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3rd question,
Did you even give them a chance to resolve it? I mean waiting for an answer not just,
identifying the problem,
posting about the problem,
bytching about the problem,
and then trading the bike.
All without giving Triumph ample time to respond with a solution.
Doesn't sound like it. :lalala:

Jim T.

PS. And when you say "complete brake failure" do you mean not working as well as other bikes, or got progressively worse but you kept riding anyway, or that two completely separate brake systems both failed at the same time leaving you with NO brakes whatsoever? (Which is VERY unlikely)
Please clarify.

[ This message was edited by: jthursby on 2007-02-04 15:11 ]
 

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OK, I had mine replaced today and the bolt recall too. Brakes do feel much better. It takes a little harder pull and the lever does not have to travel far. The seemed to be in the same place all day. I never noticed tell today, but the clutch lever and brake lever do not match. I went over and looked at a couple of new ones and it was the same. It bugged me so much I put a set of Pazzo levers on. Another nice improvement for better feel.

Check them out - http://www.pazzoracing.com/

Jeff
 

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Yeah, david-m, you could have fixed your bike
with a new front M.C. for about $150 bucks,

instead you bail on it, and complain about a 4k loss.

I real Triumph guy doesn't give up that easy, you
didn't want it bad enough.

It's impossible to have a complete brake failure, as the front and back systems are independent of each other.



[ This message was edited by: Mr2U on 2007-02-10 10:03 ]
 

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Yeah, david-m, you could have fixed your bike
with a new front M.C. for about $150 bucks,

instead you bail on it, and complain about a 4k loss.

I real Triumph guy doesn't give up that easy, you
didn't want it bad enough.

It's impossible to have a complete brake failure, as the front and back systems are independent of each other.
At the time it was unclear what the braking problems were. Many suspected the MC, others (like me) suspected the pistons. Realistically, it's probably a combination of both.

My main problem with the Triumph (as I've stated numerous times) wasn't the mechanical issues on a new bike (although that was very irritating). Triumph refused to acknowledge my warranty. The FRONT brakes completely failed. The dealer submitted a warranty claim. Triumph refused it. I found this to be completely unacceptable. For the record, I never had any problems with the rear brakes.

After I fixed the braking problems, a few peripheral rubber parts rotted through. The bike was six months old. I waited and waited and waited for replacement parts. I was told by the dealership that the delay was due to Triumph deciding whether to accept or deny the claim. In the end I was able to sell my bike and buy something different before Triumph FINALLY sent the dealer replacement rubber parts.

As I've stated before, if it had been anything OTHER than brakes, then I would have kept the bike. However, I think it is assinine to keep a motorcycle that doesn't brake properly while the manufacturer refuse to fix the issue. Why is Triumph only now fixing this when it's been an issue for a significant period of time?

If it takes a real Triumph guy to spend $12k on a brand new bike and accept it when the manufacturer fails to acknowledge the warranty, then you're right; I'm not a real Triumph guy.

Did you even give them a chance to resolve it? I mean waiting for an answer not just,
identifying the problem,
posting about the problem,
bytching about the problem,
and then trading the bike.
All without giving Triumph ample time to respond with a solution.
I waited for approximately six weeks. During that time the warranty claim submitted by my delaer was refused. I passed email with and then spoke directly with Peter Carleo at Triumph. Again, he stated that there were no problems with Sprint brakes; despite the fact that I pulled my brake level to the handle without engaing the front brakes.

I searched this board and the Speed Triple board for days and days reading as much as I could about brake problems on both bikes. I read as many Triumph magazine reviews as I could find; "mushy", "spongy" and "soft" brakes were mentioned in many of them. I spoke with a Triumph sales person in LA who had done the piston swap on his Speed Triple with good results. According to him, he had unofficially spoken with someone at Triumph who acknowledged the brake problems and suggested the piston replacement as a fix. I had several discussios with the service manager at my dealership about differet things to try to fix my brakes. After collecting all of this information I ordered the parts and installed them myself. Then, I wrote detailed instructions about the procedure and posted them to this site.

I did not do anything rashly or too quickly. I was refused warranty assistance by Triumph on multiple occasions. I researched the issue to the best of my ability, selected a potential fix, shared my procedures and results with this board. This happened over the course of weeks. Triumph had ample opportunity to fix the issue and repeatedly refused to provide any help or acknowledge their warranty responsibility. When I sold the bike I was at my wit's end. I had no moral problem with selling the bike becuase I had fixed the issue to the best of my knowledge and ability. I was both happy and sad to be rid of that particular motorcycle.

PS. And when you say "complete brake failure" do you mean not working as well as other bikes, or got progressively worse but you kept riding anyway, or that two completely separate brake systems both failed at the same time leaving you with NO brakes whatsoever? (Which is VERY unlikely)
Please clarify.
To be compltely clear, only my front brakes failed. I pulled the brake lever handle to the bar without feeling any engagement of the front brakes. This happened during my commute in heavy traffic. Pumping the lever eventually engaged the front brakes, but with significantly reduced capabilities. I rode directly to the dealership, using a combination of engine braking, rear brakes and a now somewhat functioning front brake.

The service manager at the dealership checked out my bike, said that wasn't right and said they would fix it. Becuase my bike was my only way of getting home, I cautiously rode home. The next day, the service manger called me at work (I had driven my car) and said that Triumph refused the claim. He called Triumph in Georgia, and the person he spoke with said, "There are no problems with Sprint brakes, therefore the claim was refused." The service manager said he agreed that my brakes had big problems, but if I wanted the dealership to fix them it would be $88/hour out of my pocket.

If this happened to you, how would you feel and how would you react.

I am VERY GLAD that Triumph is now acknowleding this issue and that owners are not getting the same treatment I received. All's well that ends well. I got a faster and better handling motorcycle than the Sprint for the same money I received when selling the Triumph.

I still like the triple engine, and would consider a used Triumph in the future, but my personal experiecne with Triumph customer support precludes me from ever buying a new Triumph motorcycle.

On a different thread I said I would not rehash this unless specifically asked or sent a PM. If you're interested in reading more (although I don't know what more I could write) or just want to call me names or question my intelligence please make it a PM
 

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Well said.


I had a similar experience with my bike, only my brake never got as bad as yours. Once I realized Triumph wasn't going to do anything and once I realized, I was going to have a brake lever hitting the handle bar soon, I started doing a once a month brake bleed and piston cleaning and that seems to keep it in check.
But the dealership/warranty was worthless and I completely understand how you felt. All the dealership wanted to do was to bleed the brakes over and over and to charge me for it!!! The one time I did have them do this, the brakes were already spongy, the very next day.


Even now that Triumph is replacing them, they still totally deny any problems with the brakes. You can read more about it from motorcyclenews.com

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Didn't you reolace the ST with an Aprillia Tuono? So...how's that working for you? Do you like it?
 

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On 2007-01-28 12:37, BlackBeauty wrote:
Having commented on the soft lever travel, sponginess etc a few times, my dealer ordered me the 5/8" MC replacement of their own accord and installed it yesterday.

They were all grinning at the dealer after they felt the difference. The brakes feel much better, alot firmer and with less initial travel. I can also reduce the reach on the brake lever by at least one notch (and probably two if I so wish) as I had previously extended it out as the lever could get pretty close to the bar. Now, the lever can NOT get nearly as close to the bar and is extremely firm when pulled hard.
Just had my drag bolt and master cylinder recall work done this past weekend. The difference on the front brakes: feels like a completely different bike! The first-pull softness is gone, replaced with a consistent firmness. No way does the lever travel to the grip now. Much more confidence inspiring!

Of course, I remember reading that people thought a brake bleed would do the trick, only to have the problem creep back ... so I'm keeping my eye on it.
 

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Anyone know if this works on the older Sprints? My brake effort seems to change a lot. Sometimes it engages right away, and other times there's a lot of play. If grab the lever with both hands and squeeze as hard as i can, it gets good again, but often doesn't last more than a few stops.
 

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The master cylinder is not the problem with the brakes. It may, in some cases, be a bandaid for the real issue: Caliper pistons and seals.
I too did all the voodoo to my calipers - cleaning, bleeding gallons of fluid through them etc. After a short time the problem always came back. I replaced the master cylinder and experienced the same problems. When I replaced the calipers, the problem went away. Hasn't been back since.
Even though I bought a new Nissin master cylinder, I've had a dealer order the replacement for me under the "goodwill" program because I'd like to have the official Triumph part.
While at the dealer, I noticed that Triumph only pays for 26 minutes to change out the M/C. When I talked to the tech about this he indicated that this isn't an isolated case and Triumph doesn't like to pay for warranty work so that's why dealers are reluctant to do it. I would be too...
 

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I may have had far too many "special case" cars to be properly upset by all of this.

The '81 Land Cruiser that I converted to FI Chevrolet 350 with an SM420 transmission and lifted by 6 or so inches...

The '78 F250 Super Cab Long bed 4x4 that would burp gas from the rear tank if I put more than 18 gallons in it (the front tank would take another 19 gal).

The '76 Ford Econoline van that ran on propane and had a "three on the tree" shifter. I paid $500 for that van and got ever dollar out of it.

The '80 Toy pickup who's wipers worked fine when the weather was dry and convince you they were fine, but in a hard rain they'd ***** out, and who's flatbed was too light to get any traction on my dirt road.

'93 Dodge Dakota who's doors would practically cave in if you leaned on it in the right spot (poor metal shape/no support). They would pop back out perfectly with a temp change and a good hard slam.

My first wife's '88 Suzuki Samurai that...well, isn't that enough (I actually didn't have problems with this vehicle)

HER '86 Dodge Daytona who's left window wouldn't go down.

In reflection of all of that and more, I see that I am pretty lenient of things like the Triumph brakes. I have never failed to stop, though I would prefer it a different way.

My plan is to get the goodwill recall handled Thursday. I am completely convinced that this is a band-aid and not the real issue, so if I'm not satisfied I'll put Hayabusa calipers on it. I'm satisfied with the rest of the bike. I can deal with this.
 

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Tried to get my master cylinder replaced here in Australia but was basically told to take a hike.
Seems like our importer has no intention of taking part in a VOLUNTARY or good will replacement.
 

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I just got my bike back from the dealer, who (happily for me) kept it these past three weeks with the temperature not rising above 20 F.

The new front brake is great so far. I had gotten used to how soft it was... I had the front brake done and the rear brake lever lowered at the same time, so I seem to have to treat this like a new bike and re-learn how it's brwaking handles.

My dealer in Long Island New York has been great. They have worked easily with me when I brought up the rear wheel, brake, and heat issues.

During one tune up, they noticed that the rubber mounts had prematurely dried out, so repaired it under warranty.

NOTE: before people's warranty expires this year on 2005s, check your mounts I have seen a few other riders here note this same problem.
 
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