[papes]

Ive been looking at my s3 the last few days and am just curious if anyone thinks its possible to change from my older bulky gauge cluster to a newer model, not necessarily digital, just a smaller one. Anyone tried this before?

[ This message was edited by: papes on 2006-11-29 19:10 ]

 

[Captain_Rat]

Do a search on "Veypor", I believe Kuhlka and a couple of others have tried out this setup:

Capt.

 

[DEcosse]

I updated my speedo to a digital drive model but it retains the same profile - not quite what you're looking for but the thread contains some information regarding the sender that might be pertinent.
Digital Drive Speedo Conversion

One problem with the newer (at least pre-05) digital units is the drive on the front wheel: the axle diameter is smaller (20mm) on the later bikes vs 25 on yours. The 05+ models have a transmission driven sender so even more difficult to integrate onto an older bike.
So if you change the cluster, you'll end up having to change the front wheel (or at least the bearings) & axle & get some special sleeve bushings made up for the forks. Changing the wheel also means the rotors as they changed from 6 to 5 bolts at same time.
So wheel bearings more practical (or at least cost effective)
I did hear a suggestion that the OEM Triumph digital speedo drive might be 4 pulses per revolution however. If that really is the case there are a number of after-market sender drivers that could be used. I have been unable to confirm this however. It would be really good if we could!

There are a number of after-market guages on the market & it really depends on what 'look' you are going for - there are all digital & some that combine an analog 'look' with digital drive.

Here are some of the options I looked at

1) Koso - That is one that is very similar to the 02-04 in design - looks like a nice unit & decent price including the speedo sender as well as oil & temp senders. I like this unit by spec & appearance but have not actually seen it or operated it, so not a qualified opinion.

2) Veypor - this one loaded with features & capabilities, although aesthetically not the most pleasing (at least from my perspective); I have seen this unit first-hand & it does what it says it does.

3) Electrosport - has several different styles & quite inexpensive; again no first hand experience of these

4) Dakota Digital - aimed primarily at the Harley scene - not my cup of tea but still could be a consideration

All of these come with fairly simple drive units for the speedo - they are also pretty interchangable so if you like the driver from one & speddo from another vendor, mix them up! You can see that's what I did with mone, using the driver from the Acumen Gear shift module to also drive the speedo

Wiring is just simply identifying what from your OEM harness goes to where on the new device.

 

[xSpeed3x]

I replaced mine with a Veypor, works great and more acturate then stock. Stock speedo was off by 6 mph at low speed and 8 mph at high speeds.

Also includes dino settings, 1/4 mile runs and 0 to 60 readings and lots more.

You will miss the turn signal indicators but thats a small trade off.

I went with the Veypor so I could install a Blitz headlight to give it a more streetfighter look.

 

[kuhlka]

I'm going to hopefully get a new bracket made to not have to use the RAM mount and I'll probably paint or powdercoat the handlebar mounted LED bar mount. It took a lot of screwing around, but I've got all the wiring figured out now for anyone else who wants to redo their cluster. I think I posted it up a while back if you search for it.

When I get the brackets redone, I'll post up photos. I've got the billet buttons, billet case, and HUD for it now.

[ This message was edited by: kuhlka on 2006-11-30 16:01 ]

 

[kuhlka]

If I get another bike, I'll probably go with either a Motogadget Classic gauge found HERE, or that Koso guage if its a full-on sportbike.

 

[MotoRaider]

this speedo is the one i would be interested in doing a swap with on my 01 SP3.

 

[MotoRaider]

here's some info on it..

Universal KOSO GP-Style speedometer Type RX1N with black speedo face. Dimensions 152x81x28mm.
Has a very beatiful shape that compliments the lines of the scoot perfectly. The clearly designed instruments are easily to read even under hard acceleration. Here is a short list of the features:
Speed Unit reads km/h or MPH
Reading up to 360 km/h or 223 MPH
Odometer up to 99999,9 km or Miles
Two trip odometers up to 999,9 km or miles
Speed warning in the range from 30 to 180 km/h (20-110 MPH). Adjusting unit in 5 km/h or MPH
Memory of reached Top Speed (0-360 km/h or 0-223 MPH)
Rev Counter up to 15.000 U/min. Unit 100 U/min
Memory of highest revs
Temperature gauge in °C oder °F from 0-120°C or 32-248°F. Unit 0,1°C/F
Temperature gauge with bar chart from 20-120°C (68-248°F). Unit 10°
Digital Oil temperature reading from 0-120°C (32-248°F). Unit 0,1°C/F
Memory function of highest temperature
Fuel gauge with bar chart. 10 bars each 10 fuel level
Works with most common tank sensors. 100 Ohm or 510 Ohm
Free setting of reserve warning between 10-50.
Clock
Acceleration Test 1, how long does it take to pass a given distance. Distance can be defined between 50-1000 m (1/32 - 20/32 Miles). Unit 50 m (1/32 Meile). Perfect to get used to sprint races
Acceleration Test 2, how long does it take to reach a selected speed. Speed selection is possible from 30-360 km/h (20-220 mph)
Top Speed Timer Testing, here you have info about your reached top speed, passed distance and max revs

http://scooter-center.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=9394&language=en&PHPSESSID=b905ba23a756f7152d155743577480d3

 

[DEcosse]

On 2006-11-30 22:10, MotoRaider wrote:
http://scooter-center.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=9394&language=en&PHPSESSID=b905ba23a756f7152d155743577480d3

That is a Euro site - the link I posted up earlier Koso is for Koso North America & is the OEM site for the gauge (the link just went to the 'home' not the gauges themselves); there is also a link for NA distributors which might make purchase much easier.

 

[MotoRaider]

On 2006-12-01 02:55, DEcosse wrote:

That is a Euro site - the link I posted up earlier Koso is for Koso North America & is the OEM site for the gauge (the link just went to the 'home' not the gauges themselves); there is also a link for NA distributors which might make purchase much easier.

For some odd reason, when i was at the koso NA website, i only saw the pics, click on the links for more product info and it didn't work. Went to their US distributor websites, and they didn't have any koso products listed.

The link I posted up, you can convert the currency to USD, and it was significantly cheaper at $228, compare to the koso NA website website price of $380, but i wonder how much duty taxes would be and shipping. :???:

 

[DEcosse]

On 2006-12-01 08:56, MotoRaider wrote:
The link I posted up, you can convert the currency to USD, and it was significantly cheaper at $228, compare to the koso NA website website price of $380, but i wonder how much duty taxes would be and shipping. :???:

I'd like to sell you some dollars for Euro's MotoRaider! :-D

$224 at todays rate of interbank +2% credit card = $301 USD
Still cheaper than the 'list' price at KOSO NA however, but the international shipping etc might wash that as you mention.

Koso gauge specs
There is definitely more info on the scooter center link than the OEM site however!

[ This message was edited by: DEcosse on 2006-12-01 10:30 ]

 

[MotoRaider]

DEcosse, thanks for posting up the info, much appreciate the offer, gonna be my personal loan shark

so how difficult was it to do the guage swap on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being difficult. Also, if it is pretty intensive, what might the going rate be to have a shop do it in terms of labor and price?

 

[kuhlka]

Well, difficulty depends on your fabrication skills. For me, I'd put it at about a 7 or 8 due to all the different wires, having to know how to read the wiring diagram, doing some research, then getting it all wired up properly. I still don't have a coolant temp guage, but the temp warning LEDs work fine. I've never gone above 105C, so I'm not worried about it. I'll eventually get around to installing a digital temp guage, but no rush for now.

As far as having a shop do it?... I imagine it wouldn't be in the couple hundred range as shops usually charge $50+/hr and this job would take at least 10 hours not including parts...

 

[DEcosse]

This is not a difficult job Motoraider - I think should be readily do-able as a DIY if you have some rudimentary wiring skills. Soldering is best if you need to make splices, although the clip-on tap splices that are included (the pile of red pieces) are easier & probably will suffice; also don't require original wires to be cut.

That kit looks pretty all-comprising, including the sender unit. As mentioned earlier, most of these after-market gauges will work with just about any of the other brands' sender units too.
I happened to like the aesthetics & quality of the Acumen one, but I'm sure the Koso one is just fine. Actually on their NA website, you can find the link in accessories, they actually have a bolt with magnet embedded in the head - these could easily be swapped out for the OEM sprocket bolts. That is a nice feature!

So then it's just a case of the mechanical fit of the bracket to the top clamp (I think I'd be tempted to make my own from a piece of sheet aluminum); then fitting the new sender unit on the rear axle & wiring up to the new speedo; finally identifying the necessary wires for the signals from the bike harness connectors for the other functions (tach, temp, warning lights, indicators, etc) I can help you with those if you decide to buy it.

The only thing I am not sure about is the general quality - it's just hard to tell till you get one in your hands. It looks robust enough in the scooter center pics I guess.

 

[MotoRaider]

gonna keep this on the back burner for now, gonna drop the hints on the boss, and hopefully she'll allow it. Thinking probably after the holidays on this mod.

One thing that got me really interested in the Koso gauge is the digitial reading for the gas. You might remember reading the thread about me running out of gas instantly when the light came on, had a nice hike to get to a gas station. Wonder how difficult that would be wire up, is this feature offer on the other gauges?

Thanks for the offer in advance DEcosse.

 

[DEcosse]

On 2006-12-01 18:53, MotoRaider wrote:

One thing that got me really interested in the Koso gauge is the digitial reading for the gas. ... Wonder how difficult that would be wire up, is this feature offer on the other gauges?

Not going to do you much good I'm afraid - it would need to have a resistive type of level sensor in the tank; the Triumph only has a 'low' sensor unfortunately.

 

[kuhlka]

If your fuel sensor guage is messed up, you should just take it out of the tank and see if something is stuck keeping the bobber from moving up and down the pipe properly. The digital readout isn't going to actually replace your fuel sensor. Its probably just an estimate like on my Veypor based on your own input to it. You have to manually mark when you fill up and how much fuel you put in. If you decide to just get rid of the fuel sensor, you could probably add some capacity by just removing the fuel sensor tube and blocking it off with the stock gasket and an aluminum plate. I bought a spare sensor and fuel pump on ebay just in case one goes bad.