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shithead cop gave me a ticket and said i was doing 85 in a 55. no radar or anything like that, just estimation. i was not doing 85. he said he had to do 85 to catch up to me so he could pull me over. i didn't say anything.

took the ticket to a attorney and will see what becomes of it. i'm pretty pissed off right now.
 

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This doesn't follow logic. If he had to "catch up" to you he needed to be going faster than you to do it. Since he was going 85, you had to have been going slower (otherwise he never would have caught up).

Some cops think they're rocket scientists and can estimate speed by eye. Granted most of them can probably do better than the average joe, but if his logic is flawed in the first place (see above), then that puts his credibility out the window.

I say you've got a good chance of having your fine lowered at the very least. Try to negotiate with the prosecutor to have just the fine, no points (hence no insurance costs).

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So how fast were you going? :pkit:

I consider myself pretty lucky so far, but then I save the high speed stuff for the boonies. This is a college town with lots of ticket-happy officers, so I tend to stay within 10 mph of the posted limit.
 

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i'm gonna be perfectly honest with you guys cuz i dont lie.

when that cop tagged me, i was cruising at a steady 77mph which was indicated on my speedo. we all know the speedos are optimisticly fast so realisticly i was probably going 74ish. the motherfuccer is lying, hands down. what sucks even more is there is nothing i can really do to prove he is lying. its my word against his.

before i left the scene, i checked my speedo to see my top speed i had reached. the last time i reset it was just miles before i got pulled over. top speed indicated 81mph. i know where i did 81 and it was not on that stretch of road where i got pulled over.

sucks man. really sucks. karma is a *****.
 

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On 2006-11-27 14:50, tekmoe wrote:
its my word against his.
Exactly, that's why you've got a good shot at beating it (or at least reducing it). In this age of radar guns, laser guns and speed cameras, where is his proof? He has none. Cops can judge that you are speeding, but they cannot eyeball an accurate estimate of speed.

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No idea why he had to guess. Most cop cars have head on radar or at least here in our county, so they don't need to be stopped to catch you. A cop chasing you at a speed doesn't mean anything, so if he was doing 85 it doesn't mean you were doing that.

Always keep it under 15 mph and if you go over than you are on your own and don't get pissed if you got a ticket.

Not sure what your lawyer can do, but I doubt he will be able to drop the whole thing, they might reduce it to defective vehicle or lesser points depends on your DA.

Good luck anyway

[ This message was edited by: EasyWheelie on 2006-11-27 15:58 ]
 

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Ouch, sorry man. Sounds like you already took one of the steps I was going to tell you to do. If his exact words were tha the did 85 to catch you, then you could possibly beat this in a trial. I'll write tickets off of my spedometer ( which is calibrated) but I 'll catch up and hold a speed for about 3 seconds to ensure it's acurate. (With a laser we are trained to hold a lock for approx. 3secs to ensure the lock is of the target vehicle) It's not the best way to catch a speeder but it holds up in court if it's done right. The sh!tty part about this is it comes down to what the officer testifies to. If the stop was recorded on video and his statement is in the video you're good. Losing a case in court is embarrassing, I can say I only lost one and it was only one of the two charges I gave the guy (resisting) It was because of a bad testimony on my behalf, my first trial. It sucks! If the prosecutor isn't on board with this guy he won't want to pursue it and he'll tell the Officer if made a mistake.
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It depends on what the court requires from an officer, if he's writing you off an estimation, he's either done it before and it's held up or, he's a rookie that hasn't learned the hard way. A lot of cops have a hard on for sport bikes. Talk to the prosecutor, see what he has to say, explain the circumstances, DO NOT ADMIT ANY GUILT TO HIM. If you do he'll probably go ahead anyway or give you a lesser fine. If you're not happy with him, then talk to an attorney, if you think it's worth it. 30+ here is over $300 and I don't know howmany points.
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On 2006-11-27 16:25, Triple_Rider wrote:
Ouch, sorry man. Sounds like you already took one of the steps I was going to tell you to do. If his exact words were tha the did 85 to catch you, then you could possibly beat this in a trial. I'll write tickets off of my spedometer ( which is calibrated) but I 'll catch up and hold a speed for about 3 seconds to ensure it's acurate. (With a laser we are trained to hold a lock for approx. 3secs to ensure the lock is of the target vehicle) It's not the best way to catch a speeder but it holds up in court if it's done right. The sh!tty part about this is it comes down to what the officer testifies to. If the stop was recorded on video and his statement is in the video you're good. Losing a case in court is embarrassing, I can say I only lost one and it was only one of the two charges I gave the guy (resisting) It was because of a bad testimony on my behalf, my first trial. It sucks! If the prosecutor isn't on board with this guy he won't want to pursue it and he'll tell the Officer if made a mistake.
HOWEVER,
It depends on what the court requires from an officer, if he's writing you off an estimation, he's either done it before and it's held up or, he's a rookie that hasn't learned the hard way. A lot of cops have a hard on for sport bikes. Talk to the prosecutor, see what he has to say, explain the circumstances, DO NOT ADMIT ANY GUILT TO HIM. If you do he'll probably go ahead anyway or give you a lesser fine. If you're not happy with him, then talk to an attorney, if you think it's worth it. 30+ here is over $300 and I don't know howmany points.
Good luck
thx for the wise words.

i still haven't heard back from the prosecutor. she might be blowing me off.

when the cop stopped me, i said nothing more than "yes officer" when he asked for my license and insurance. anything else he said, i looked him blank in the face and said nothing. i've learned keeping my mouth shut usually gets me out of this kind of*****.

the system is corrupt and its really sad. this cop lied his fuccin ass off and i had to take it in the rectum and theres really not anything i can do about it. i took the ticket to a lawyer and paid em 75 bucks to see if they can help me out. didn't sound very promising when she said, "wow, 30 over huh?" :hammer:

again, no radar was used and he couldn't have been behind me for more than 3 seconds because one second i was all alone and the next second i had red and blue christmas lights flashing behind me. still, i find it will be hard to prove any of this in court. who's the judge going to believe? a sportbiker or a city police officer? unfortunately i don't know if a dashcam was in the car. i guess if i ever get to talk to the prosecutor i can ask her for this information.

thx again.
 

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I'm certainly not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that the burden is on the prosecutor to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were violating a specific law. Estimated speed based on the officer's speedo while catching up seems fairly open to reasonable doubt- you just have to show that. There are several sites listed here:

http://helpigotaticket.com/links/index.html


For those that say something along the lines of "if you were driving faster than the posted speed, you deserve the ticket" that's complete BS. I'm fairly sure that the posted limit is usually based on a percentile rating based on a survey. The accuracy and validity of these surveys can often be brought into question. Depending on the state, if they're over a certain number of years old, they are no longer valid and the violation will be dismissed if you show this. Also, the letter of the law (depending on the specific violation) usually is for exceeding safe and prudent speeds for the road conditions rather than the posted speed. If conditions were clear, traffic was light, the road was clean, and there was no property near the road, you can often cast doubt on the violation.

good luck!
ZM





[ This message was edited by: zmann on 2006-11-27 20:18 ]
 

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On 2006-11-27 16:50, tekmoe wrote:

the system is corrupt and its really sad. this cop lied his fuccin ass off and i had to take it in the rectum and theres really not anything i can do about it.
It's sad that you think that. If the system was really corrupt you'd have handed all the money you had on you to the cop, like in Mexico. Instead you have the option of QUESTIONING AN OFFICERS INTEGRITY IN AN OPEN COURT. You think you could do that in Germany in the 30's or 40's? How 'bout Soviet Russia, Sierra Leone, Iran, or any number of f#cked up countries still ruling their people with the sword? You have alot of legal options granted to you. As a veteran, it pains me that people can't see just how free they really are.

If that cop lied then you have every opportunity to prove it and I hope you do, if he's a liar. Use your freedoms to their full extent. Just do your soldiers and veterans a favor and never take them (freedoms) for granted.

And on that note, ride on brother. It's just a peice of paper....

[ This message was edited by: Calitriple on 2006-11-27 17:59 ]
 
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