[duckie]

Yes I know this is a subject discussed before but I had a question about GSG sliders.

At first I was going to plumb for the R&G sliders but to be honest I didn't like the look / position of the front slider as it is just below the chrome strip and slightly over the strip. Plus seeing a couple of different bikes that have crashed with the R&G sliders, it seems that even though it saves the plastic (and a lot of other engine parts) it bends and therefore needs to be replaced. The crash pics I have seen the smaller diameter post (which is unlike any slider on any other bike I've seen except for the LSL and Skyking sliders on the 05+ sprint) is where the slider bends. I can only assume that the R&G's have a smaller diameter post so that the end of the sliders can be positioned at that point whilst keeping the chrome strip - maybe this is the optimum point for the sliders... I have never seen the 'normal' type of sliders that have the same large diameter all the way to the mounting point bend...

The GSG sliders of what I have seen on a website are above the chrome strip but don't overlap it in anyway and look like they are the same diameter all the way to the mounting point. The only disadvantage I see it that they don't protrude as far as the R&G and they are slightly higher on the side of the bike - which in combination might mean that more plastic gets scratched than with the R&G's... Also the R&G's are unique in the fact that there is a second slider just behind the fairing which will help to protect the rear end but this could be achieved by using spindle sliders instead.

There are also the LSL sliders which are in the same position as the GSG sliders but seem to protrude further yet for some reason aren't the same diameter all the way to the mounting point ( :???: ). There are also the Skyking sliders but they look like the R&G (without the additional slider at the rear).
So finally to my question... Has anyone installed the GSG sliders on a 05+ sprint and if so could you post a pick and tell me how far they jut out from the fairing... also anyone crashed with them installed?
Thanks for bearing with the long post!

[ This message was edited by: duckie on 2007-01-12 14:05 ]

 

[dolson]

duckie, if the sliders don't bend they are not doing their job. They are made to absorb energy, if they don't then they are not absorbing energy but just transmitting it to what they are attached to. They will also tend to act like a pick.

Spindle sliders would be at the wrong height and tend to over center IMO.

You'll never come up with anything that will protect the body work completely except for a cage.

Don

 

[Towelie]

On 2007-01-15 11:34, dolson wrote:
You'll never come up with anything that will protect the body work completely except for a cage.

Don

I like the sounds of that, where can I order one of these "cages" that you speak of? :hammer:

 

[PeirreOBollox]

I have the R & G slideres fitted to the fairing of my 06 sprint
since my legs are a little too short (5`6") to put a flat foot down when I pull up, I have twice had a tumble at very low speeds when stopping/starting off at road junctions
the 1st spill cost me a replacement R/H lower fairing, brake lever, mirror & foot peg. so I had the R & G`s fitted and I was impressed when I tumbled off the 2nd time, the R & G`s saved me another bill.
though i`m not sure of their effectiveness in the event of a spill at higher speeds................YET

 

[upnet]

They protrude 7/8" beyond the chrome($40) strip. If you're gonna dump it at speed,that plastic is gonna get trashed anyway. I like these because they DO NOT stick out that far. How they will protect...I think depends on the specifics of the crash.
Heres mine:

 

[upnet]

Hey! What is up with all us SHORT guys buying these Monster Sprint ST's??? Some kind of psycological sicko... can't stop without falling down cause me legs are too short to flat foot but watch me fly down the road and tackle the twisties chasing them snot nosed Gixxer squids kind of thing? :-D

 

[blast]

IMHO the LSL sliders are inadequate. I drop my 06 Sprint at a stand still and the body work on the lower left fairing was damaged, which I did not expect, as well as the hardbaq, which I expected. The Sky King sticks out far enough to protect more of the bike if you have a low speed off or a drop. I have CGS on my new K1200S, and they seem adequate, hope I don't find out for sure.

 

[DaveM]

Just to be the devils advocate here.

there have also been cases on this web site of engine case damage being caused by slider bolts cracking the engine cases during the crash.

Having to repair cases would be more expensive than fixing fairings.

IMHO I think unless it is just a topple at standing still position. That sliders generally in a lot of cases only limit the damage as Don suggests.

I think if it only limits it and a fairing still requires replacing or repairs what have you achieved?

And yes before someone asks I have crashed once or twice in 30 years + riding fully faired race rep and many other bikes.

This is just my opinion, but it's mine and I'm keeping it! :-D

I am ready for flames now! :razz:

DaveM

 

[Thefallenone]

No but you put up a good argument - git. My son said why do you want to fit them anyway? You never crash! I am thinking twice now.

It was the same with the top yolk carbon stick on. Load of [email protected] really. Glad I didn't do that either. :-D

Kev

 

[duckie]

On 2007-01-15 11:34, dolson wrote:
duckie, if the sliders don't bend they are not doing their job. They are made to absorb energy, if they don't then they are not absorbing energy but just transmitting it to what they are attached to. They will also tend to act like a pick.

Sure that makes sense. But on my sv650s I have the nylon sliders which have been 'tested' :blush: by doing a static drop on one side (I think my boot might have helped limit the damage) and a low side on the other side. The sliders passed with flying colours but did sacrifice some nylon to the tarmac but there isn't any evidence of bending of the slider or damage at the mounting point, although neither 'tests' were done at high speed...
Also the swing arm bobbin sliders took a lot of the abuse which is why I was after something similar on the sprint.

You'll never come up with anything that will protect the body work completely except for a cage.

Don

Yep I know, I just was looking for something that would minimise the damage without spoiling the lines of the sprint. Now if I was intending to use the sprint as a stunt bike then that would change matters... :wink:

Thanks to upnet for those photos of your GSG sliders - very informative,
it does look to me though that they don't protrude far enough to limit a lot of damage on the fairing though... but they do look much better. I guess we have to pick our own poison - i e. aesthetics over functionality or functionality over aesthetics...

 

[Beach]

This seems to be a thread with as many opinions as an oil or tyre thread.

I have R & G sliders on my 05 ST. They arrived a week to late for the static drop on the right side in my driveway. The plastic and paint on this model is particularly soft. To replace the cockpit and right side fairing is around $3000 AUD.

The front brake lever was about $200 AUD. It stayed in one piece and curled almost perfectly back on itself. Fortunately the rear brake lever stayed in one piece and the mirror folded in.

In this instance the sliders would have saved me a lot of very well constructed profanity as well as my expensive plastic.

Conversely, I didnt have sliders on my 99 ST when a wayward puppy had us slidng down the road. That was a 40kph drop and was enough to write the bike off, may she rest in piece. (Yes the bloody dog was fine) I'm sure sliders would have helped in that instance.

SR1 on this list had quite a bad off on his silver 05 ST and from the picks I would venture to say that the R & G sliders he had fitted went some way to limiting the damage.

Horses for courses, a bird in the hand, now is not the time for cliches and all that....

Brett.

 

[Haddi-Man]

The front brake lever was about $200 AUD.

$200?

Do they make 'em out of solid gold?

 

[DrTriumph]

I have been knocked off my bike once and dropped it when stopping at the side of the road in gravel, watch that foot when it goes down to the ground and what it is landing in. I have since put on LSL frame sliders. The paint job for the whole bike was 700.00 CND looks like new. The chrome slashes are 54.00 each in Canada.. so now with the 200.00 sliders I can save myself at least 100.00 on drops that hopefully will never happen again. I also like the look of them.. if you want to see check out my album.

 

[ruscook]

I put the skyking sliders on and again, like otehrs had a driveway drop. No damage except to the rear indicator lens. So the AUD180 they cost saved me a lot of $$$ on plastic.

Russ

 

[Mr2U]

i also have the Skyking sliders, saved me, when i stepped
on to some unseen gasoline at the gas station.

you can't beat them for 100 bucks, i don't expect them
to save the bike from a high speed spill, they are to help
save the plastic stuff at low speed drops.

you need a deep socket 19mm, and a long extention.
but they are easy to install.

if your real picky, like me, the left one needs to have
1/2 inch cut off it's barrel washer, so that they both
stick out the same amount. as supplied the left one
is alittle too long.

they are designed to bend and take up some force
on a high speed drop, thats a good thing.

the pics by upnet, show a nice looking product, but i
like the skykings as they stick out farther, my gas station
drop had 0 fairing scratches, not a mark.



[ This message was edited by: Mr2U on 2007-01-19 14:35 ]

 

[LoVel]

Dr Triumph,

Those picture look amazingly familiar. See if this looks familiar to you.

My Pics

 

[PeirreOBollox]

On 2007-01-18 20:46, Beach wrote:
The front brake lever was about $200 AUD.

the price here in the Uk is £35 GBP (44.81 Euros) for a front brake lever and £13 GBP (27.60 euros) for a clutch lever
Yeah you read it right, the brake lever is around 3 times the cost of the clutch lever

 

[ruscook]

LoVel, like that speedy next to the Sprint... Do you have any front on pics and details on that screen?

Russ

 

[LoVel]

ruscook,

That is my dad's bike. He is on this site listed as HiVel. The pictures are under my brothers name. HiVel Jr. See link below.

Bro's Pics

 

[Beach]

LoVel, they are three sweet looking bikes you have there and a nicely equipped garage as well.

I like whats been done with the Bonny.

Hey Russ - theres a few ideas for your S3!

I have just parked a 675 next to my 05 ST. I reckon the next one will be a black Thruxton.

So many bikes and not a big enough shed....

Sorry to hijack the thread - what were we talking about???

Brett.