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Depending on what you use, i would suggest trying other oils. I was using Torco blend since my dealer gives you free oil for 90k when you buy a bike from him. The other day i decided to go back to mobil 1 V-twin like i used in my speedmaster. Well sir, the bike has better response, is quieter, and a lot smoother. In fact, i didn't realize it till on my way home today, but my footpegs which used to vibrate proably more than my bars are now almost completely vibeless. Seriously...considerable benefits just from going to a different oil. It's been said M1 bike oils have changed thier formula and are no longer full synth even tho it says full synth on the bottle. But since mobil lost thier law suit against castrol for using the term synthetic, any oil can now be called that so they may have just adopted the "if you can't beat em, join them" attitude in order to compete. (full is much more expensive to make) But it still says it, the rep I called said it never changed, and it works freakin' great to be sure.

Anyways, point is, try different oils. I won't just say try M1 because i'm sure some others are as good. And maybe you already use a great oil. Seems to me it could be that the oil may be the difference between the varying opinions we see on vibes and who knows what else. But i think this is worthwhile info because these are the kind of things many will often never realize and not reap the benefits. And now that triumph recommends and uses castrol, and oil that is regarded generally as one of the worse, it's possible a lot of triumph owners may benefit by trying M1 or something other than what your bike came with. I must say i'm pretty thrilled with the bike's performance right now.

By the way, this is the kind of thing that always gets me flamed here. Please refrain, i'm just trying to help.
 

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M1? Are you nuts!!!!!

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Actually, I have been using Mobil 1 Racing 4T in my Thunderbird since I got the bike. 21k miles later, it is still rock solid smooth, so I can't complain. Oil changes are a bit expensive, but with 6k mile intervals it isn't that bad at all.
 

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:( My bike is supposed to run on Agip 10/60W but it appears to be impossible to obtain, so I use Motul 15/50W which meets all the specs. So far so good!
 

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Motul is basically the same as Mobil1, but half the price and works great. I get mine from the Honda "Powerhouse" just round the corner from me.
Maybe it's different up there, but here they cost about the same, tho the 7100 is a bit more than M1. No where near double tho. More like 3-5% more. The motul blend is about the same or even cheaper, but i wouldn't compare the 2 because thats blend and the M1 is full synthetic, or so it's supposed to be. Just so happens i have a gallon jug of motul 7100 full synth that arrived a day after i changed my oil with M1. Why? Because while i was waiting for the motul to arrive i was looking at the amsoil white paper and motul 7100 came in way down the list. it was about in the bottom 25% and failed at least one test. So i did a search to see what else i could find and a guy on a forum somewhere who in so many words (paraphrasing here) said if you don't want to believe me thats ok, but i have torn apart engines that ran motul and found bearing wear that was unacceptable. he went on to explain this was apparently not just one isolated instance.

So after reading that i decided to use M1 again like i did in my speedmaster and just use the motul to top off the bike when i change the oil with 4 quarts of M1 instead of buying 5 quarts and using 1/2 of one. (bike takes around 4.5 quarts) Instead i'll just add the last 1/2 quart using the motul. And i researched mixing oils and the old wives tale about mixing being bad is just that. Mobil says only mix the same brands, but i think thats just being anal or more likely a marketing ploy. And by the way, i'm not saying motul is bad, only that more than one instance in my research about it suggested that so i'm just being safe rather then sorry.


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Ok, i found the thread and i was off a good bit, but if anything it sounds as bad or worse....

I have seen inside lots of these engines so my advice is based on real world experience.
All the engines I have seen run on the 7100 Motul show much more bearing wear than the bikes run on 300V 15w50 or Agip 10w60.
The top end doesnt really seem to suffer but the bottom does.
 

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<<Sigh>> Yet another oil thread. Not even thinly disguised. I won't flame you, but I will say that oil and oil filter threads are like religion and politics, they create more heat than light and should be avoided at all costs. After all, oil and oil filters are like religion and politics in many ways; they are a matter of personal choice and should be left that way. Period!
 

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Where do you get the bad reports on Castrol? I've used it for years in everything with excellent results. I do use Mobil Racing 4T in the TBird and it has done a great job, but I see Triumph is now recommending Castrol instead. I can't imagine they would do that without serious testing and a good reason to do so.
 

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<<Sigh>> Yet another oil thread. Not even thinly disguised. I won't flame you, but I will say that oil and oil filter threads are like religion and politics, they create more heat than light and should be avoided at all costs. After all, oil and oil filters are like religion and politics in many ways; they are a matter of personal choice and should be left that way. Period!
lets say that guy is right. Theres just as little proof he is than isn't, but if he is then right there i think this oil thread is valuable. The white paper also showed it failed in at least one test, and together thats looking like motul may very well be an oil to stay away from. Not that it won't work and take your bike to 100k, but then it may not. Or it may run not as well if the bearings are worn at 50k or whenever it gets to that point. So oil threads are good as any other IMO. It's a cliche that started and now everyone feels they have to chime in with it for some reason. But the fats is there can be good info if you know how to use common sense and weed out the BS and look for re-occurring details that eventually look to be true at some point. I felt the same difference with M1 this ytime as i have at least once before with my speedmaster over another oil. What if someone takes that to heart and tries it and it works as well as it did for me? Someone here recently mentioned vibration in the pegs that bothered him. If you read my post you saw that i said mine improved in that regard almost completely removing all the vibration is the pegs. What if he reads this and tries it and finds the same benefit?

So oil threads DO have value. Not every time, but neither do many other subjects. but to make a blanket statement like that is foolish.
 

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Where do you get the bad reports on Castrol? I've used it for years in everything with excellent results. I do use Mobil Racing 4T in the TBird and it has done a great job, but I see Triumph is now recommending Castrol instead. I can't imagine they would do that without serious testing and a good reason to do so.
I've read more negative things about it than most other oils for years. But you gotta understand that you can probably run the worse oil and not break down. Your bike may degrade in performance over time w/o you recognizing it, or it may break down at 100k. Not that you will necessarily take it that far, but the point is you can run any oil w/o noticing anything. Look at what i said i read about motul, yet people generally consider it very good. Maybe its wrong, but maybe not. Point is like i said you don't put lousy oil in your bike then start it up and it breaks immediately or runs like utter [email protected] Triumph recommends whatever they get a good deal on. If M1 was still offering the same cost as castrol or better you can bet they wouldn't have changed.

Anyways, i'm not saying it's going to let you down. i'm just saying you may feel a beneficial difference. I did and it was very noticeable so i'm simply giving you food for thought. Whether you want to try it is your call.
 

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Come on, there is nothing sinister at work here! Triumph's decision to recommend Castrol over Mobil as Triumph's chosen lubricant partner was purely a business decision. Contracts were signed; money changed hands. Period.
 

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I wasnt doubting you or arguing with you. I just wondered what your source of information was.
I know. But anyways, like everyone i can only read as much as i can and come to logical conclusions as to whether what i read is true when it comes to oil. So i'm not saying it's bad, just that a lot of what i have read indicates that so i tend to err on the safe side. Thats all we can do unless we tear engines apart ourselves to see. But the one thing that appears to be fact is that castrol is not synthetic even tho it says it is on the bottle. As is well known at this point because it's been documented is that mobil brought suit against castol a few years back to stop them from using the word synthetic when thier oils are not synthetic. Mobil lost and from that point anyone can now call thier oil synthetic if there is a additive package in it, even if it's petroleum based. So castrol is petrolium based while mobil 1 is full synthetic. Thats where the differenec in performance comes from. First time i ran a non fully synthetic in my speedmaster i was shocked at the loss of performance. It wasn't subtle at all. Put M1 back in a week later and power/smoothness was back. It was valvoline and not synthetic. So thats why i would suggest trying M1 if your dealer is using castrol. Worse case scenario your bike runs the same. Sure helped mine tho.
 

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Good. Thanks for the info. I had not heard about the suit, but I use Mobil Racing 4T and have no plans of changing. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
 

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And even then you really don't know anything unless you run the same exact model with another oil for the same long term, then tear them both down and look at the results and measure the tolerances. So my method for choosing an oil is find one that has little to nothing bad said about it, is a popular oil considered by most as very good, and makes my bike run it's best. Thats about the most an average consumer can do.
 

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I was actually disappointed when I took my T-Bird in for the 500 mile service and found out that they are using Castrol. I've always used Mobil 1 in my cars and bikes. I will be changing my own oil from here on out and I wouldn't use anything other than Mobil 1.

As far as Mobil 1 "smoothing out" your bike, I am not surprised. I noticed it when I first put Mobil 1 in my 2000 Super Glide and 2007 Road Star. Yes, oil can do that !!
 

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I'm running Amsoil 10-40 motorcycle oil and I'm pleased with it, although it's hard to locate sometimes. Anyone else running this? BTW I also run Amsoil in my Kubota tractor and very pleased with It's performance.
 

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I ran it in my speedmaster once and it ran exactly like it did with mobil 1. I'd choose M1 tho due to the cost and availability. It will cost me $40 for a gallon of M1 and $60 for amsoil.
 
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