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Knock your self out. There is no point in making a $5.00 part if you don't have to.
For me there is, as I tried to explain in my last post. Having worked something out, no matter how simple or complex, I can then pass it on to others. Once I know how to go about it, that knowledge/expertise - call it what you want - has served many on here well and saved more money than you could ever imagine.

I proposed the idea of the two diodes because there was no available replacement part that I could find. You found one, good for you - the OP is now sorted with a choice of solutions and there it should end, but then you make condescending remarks to me, lecturing me about how wrong and pointless it is to be offering an alternative, and superior solution to yours.

Not only that, but you go on to announce, with a number plucked straight from your backside, on a forum full of tinkerers, that they do not have any knowledge or expertise, ignoring the fact that this is what the forum is all about. That, to me, is a lack of respect for the membership as a whole.

Then you have the audacity to ask me, whether the part that you linked to is the correct one. Though you found it, so that's between you and the OP to determine. Your problem. Just saying.
 
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Stead guys. We're all here to help others with issues on their bikes, not make issues among ourselves. We're all on the same team, right?
 
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Guys! I have a question for both of you. I got the new factory (style) diode pack. Unfortunately no change. Same issue. I’ve concentrated on the green bulb area under the dash. I’ve changed bulbs (with the bright light indicator) and both bulbs worked. BUT, both wires coming into the bulb holder were hot. Shouldn’t one be hot and the other one ground/earth running to the transmission sensor? And both liens test hot or have power (full 12v) with or without a bulb.


Should they both be hot? Do I have a bad bulb holder-receptacle?


The question.


Does this wire or circuit run past or through the bulb but bot need a bulb in it to complete the circuit? So that if a bulb goes bad, your bike will still run you just won't have a green bulb (in neutral).


Or


Is this circuit grounded somewhere a dn I can run a new wire from the bulb holder directly to the sensor? The sensor works so it would ground ro complete the circuit when in neutral.


Thanks for all of the input so far from both fo you.


Nick
 

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Guys! I have a question for both of you. I got the new factory (style) diode pack. Unfortunately no change. Same issue. I’ve concentrated on the green bulb area under the dash. I’ve changed bulbs (with the bright light indicator) and both bulbs worked. BUT, both wires coming into the bulb holder were hot. Shouldn’t one be hot and the other one ground/earth running to the transmission sensor? And both liens test hot or have power (full 12v) with or without a bulb.


Should they both be hot? Do I have a bad bulb holder-receptacle?


The question.


Does this wire or circuit run past or through the bulb but bot need a bulb in it to complete the circuit? So that if a bulb goes bad, your bike will still run you just won't have a green bulb (in neutral).


Or


Is this circuit grounded somewhere a dn I can run a new wire from the bulb holder directly to the sensor? The sensor works so it would ground ro complete the circuit when in neutral.


Thanks for all of the input so far from both fo you.


Nick
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Lastly (and to repeat, I appreciate the help), at the bulb holder which wire is coming from the power source and which one is heading to the sensor? I’ve got a black w./ white stripe and a solid blue wire.
 

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Guys! I have a question for both of you. I got the new factory (style) diode pack. Unfortunately no change. Same issue. I’ve concentrated on the green bulb area under the dash. I’ve changed bulbs (with the bright light indicator) and both bulbs worked. BUT, both wires coming into the bulb holder were hot.
Doesn't matter. I take it that you have swapped the bulbs for the LED kit. This has nothing to do with the dash bulbs.

Shouldn’t one be hot and the other one ground/earth running to the transmission sensor? And both liens test hot or have power (full 12v) with or without a bulb.
How are you doing your testing? It should be done with a multimeter, on the continuity setting (beep mode - the meter beeps when you touch the probes together), and with ignition OFF.

It looks like the neutral switch is at fault, though you said that you had tested that. The Black/White wire from the neutral bulb goes to a couple of places - the diode pack, pin 10 of the igniter and the neutral switch underneath the engine (see my diagram in post #4. You can test the whole thing by putting the meter across the Black/White wire at the bulb, and the engine case. The meter should beep when in neutral but not when in any gear.

If the meter fails to beep in neutral, it could be that the terminal on the switch is dirty or corroded, or the neutral switch is not working. This terminal is where the Black/White wire connects to the neutral switch (it may be just Black at that point). It is the single wire running to the neutral switch underneath the engine, so will be subject to exposure to road grime. This test needs to be done before moving on. If the terminal is okay (clean and tight), then the neutral switch itself should be tested by putting the meter across the terminal and engine case. The meter should beep only when the bike is in neutral.

Should they both be hot? Do I have a bad bulb holder-receptacle?
It is unlikely to have anything to do with the bulbs, but the Black/White wire to the bulb would probably be hot if the bike is in gear, because the neutral switch provides the ground for the bulb when in neutral. The neutral switch provides the ground for both the neutral bulb and the clutch switch. Without the ground the bulb cannot light.

The other bulb wire is Green/Red, not solid Blue. I cannot find a solid Blue wire in that area on the bike diagram. There is a Blue/White, but that goes to the hi beam dash bulb. The Green/Red is hot as long as the ignition is on. If either a bulb or LED is in the holder, the Black/White would be hot when the bike is in gear.

Does this wire or circuit run past or through the bulb but bot need a bulb in it to complete the circuit? So that if a bulb goes bad, your bike will still run you just won't have a green bulb (in neutral).
The Black/White wire from the bulb is the ground. If the bulb does not get its ground from the neutral switch or it pops it cannot light, however the rest of the circuit - clutch switch, starter etc. will continue to function and the bike will run. The neutral light is tapped into the circuit but not essential to it, a blown bulb will not prevent the bike from starting or running.

Is this circuit grounded somewhere a dn I can run a new wire from the bulb holder directly to the sensor?
No, because the wire branches off in several places inside the harness. It even changes colour at the neutral switch. If there were a break in part of the wire, then that section would have to be replaced, inside the harness.

The sensor works so it would ground ro complete the circuit when in neutral.
How do you know this for sure? I know you said you had tested it but you didn't say how you went about it, or what tools you used to do the test.
 

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regardless of the friendly banter, this has been most informative as I never knew that such diodes existed within the carb bonnies harness. good find by Duckman for sourcing such things MT090 Series with built in Diode
 

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regardless of the friendly banter, this has been most informative as I never knew that such diodes existed within the carb bonnies harness. good find by Duckman for sourcing such things MT090 Series with built in Diode
Indeed. There are two versions of the MT090 dual diode on that page. The diodes in the packages are configured opposite one another. The M(6098-0129) is the one for the harness, but the other variant, M(6098-0126) is the interesting one - it is the same configuration for the flasher diode mod and quite a few other projects/fixes on here.
 

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An Update:


First of all thanks to those of you who have offered suggestions and help along the way, particularly, Ripper and Duckman.


I now have a working green neutral light that comes on when it's in neutral and goes off when it is in any gear.


How?


Since I had tested the sensor switch several times with a continuity tester, I was fairly sure that it worked. And I had power going to the bulb holder when I used a circuit tester.


So (being an old hot rodder), I just ran a new wire from the spade connection on the sensor up through the bike (the tank was off and the dash pod was all exposed anyway), along the harness, zip tying as I went along. At the bulb holder, I cut the black with white stripe wire (neutral wire) and connected the new wire. Now when the bike was in neutral, it grounded the wire from tlighterh bulb and the light came on.


It may not be the right way, but it works and its done.


Thanks again to all that helped.


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So if I understand correctly, you effectively replaced the wire from the sensor to the light.

Did that change the interlock for starting the bike?
 

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So if I understand correctly, you effectively replaced the wire from the sensor to the light.

Did that change the interlock for starting the bike?
Yes and no.

When I start the bike, it will start in gear or in neutral BUT the clutch handle needs to be pulled.

So far so good.

But the bike still thinks it is in gear. So I need to have the sidestand up to start or even RUN the bike. In other words, if the kick stand goes down, the bike cuts off (it thinks it is in gear).

Sooo, I followed the kickstand switch up to where it connects to the harness. It is a plug in connection. When the stand is up, the plunger on the switch is "out" at the sidestand, this allows the circuit to be completed. So at the plug connection, I found if I "jump" the two outside wires (there are three), I have bypassed the switch. The bike runs (and drives) with the sidestand down. Safety feature disabled but I've mainly owned very old bikes so I'll take my chances. LOL
 
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