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My ride is a black 1997 T595 which I have owned for around 4 months and although I purchased it with issues I love this bike. So far have replaced the fuel pump and neutral switch which has fixed the issue of it not running, but still have a starting issue. If I either pour fuel directly into the TB's or spray engine start in airbox it fires then runs great. It will not start cold without doing this. I also have tuneecu bringing up no error codes. Running correct tune 9860, new plugs, new battery tested fine and is fully charged. Anyone have a checklist on possible reasons why it is doing this? It does have a noisy sprag clutch and the IACV reads 0 anytime I check in tuneecu. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers J
 

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Hey mate. I had an issue with pump before and have replaced it including an in tank fuel line. It has always primed up relays all good, must have been incorrect pressure as would hardly run even when started. I did think fuel pressure regulator but it runs mint now once started, idles fine etc. I can go for a ride then it will start fine for a while. Once cold it will not fire without the engine start in airbox. Don't know alot about these bikes but to me it also doesn't sound right when turning over either. Cheers
 

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Hi guys. So I have readings from iacv. Bike still won't start. Driving me nuts. Sprayed engine start in airbox and got it fire again. Once started runs great but still won't fire without the fuel or started fluid assistance. Plugs are fouling super fast too. It is not cranking like it should though and sprag clutch sounds bad. This should not stop bike from firing though should it? Also anyone know where to source sprag assembly for a reasonable price or know of any other better options for repair to existing sprag? Cheers
 

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... Any fork or oil seal spring that fits similarly as original in sprag groove should do... This method is noted to work on other makes as well.
 

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Sounds like you're running out of ideas to solve your starting issue so I'm going to make some general points that are not specific to this bike but might help.

You mention that your plugs are fouling super quick. A fouling plug is often a sign of over-rich mixture. Are you getting dark/smelly exhaust? This would confirm this probkem. If this is the case, and if all plugs are fouling equally, then the problem likely lies in the ecu map in that it is either getting wrong information from some sensor or you have the wrong map.

You mention that you believe that you have the correct map. Maps on these bikes are specific to the exhaust muffler/can that is being used. Are you running an aftermarket exhaust? If so then the map may be a missmatch for your setup.

Also, a quick google search shows that these early models have no O2 sensor, so it would use a different map to the later models.

Here's what I found on another forum...

This model has a couple of very simple 'cold start' map amendments, with an enrichment table that adds additional fuel at lower engine temperature and another that increases the controlled engine rpm based on engine temperature.
There is NO closed loop control on this model - no O2 sensor.

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Make sure that you have the correct map for your model.

If your model does in fact use O2 sensors, then a leaky exhaust would result in wrong readings to your sensors. Make sure that sensor and/or exhaust has no leaks, especially near the O2 sensor.

Another possible cause of rich mixture is a badly blocked air filter. You mention that you spray fuel directly into the the TBs. It may be that it's starting because the air filter has been removed rather than the fact that you are spraying fuel. Try starting it without spraying fuel, and with filter removed. If it starts, replace your air filter with a new one.

Hope some of this helps.
 

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Hey thanks for that. That would come up in diagnostics? When I connect Tuneecu no fault code comes. Bike is running a K&N filter that has been cleaned, early engine and a High TOR exhaust I believe. Pics attached. Also would a slow crank cause it not to fire? Just waiting on sprag and starter motor rebuild kit as they both need attention. As stated earlier the bike runs mint once started
 

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I'm using just a general understanding of how engine management systems work here so this may or may not apply to this bike 🤔 but...

The error code would only come up if the ecu looks for that specific fault, and only if the reading from the temp sensor was completely out of range.

You are most likely correct that it would show an error code, but maybe not. The symptoms you describe though sure fit with the ecu failing to apply the enrichment table at cold temperatures... ie cold-start routine is failing.

As for slow cranking being the problem...
It's possible, but it would have to be cranking very very slowly. The explanation there would be that the crank sensor signals are so far apart that the ecu does not recognise that it's actually cranking over, so doesn't know to trigger the fuel pulse to the injectors.

If it were me, I'd be eliminating the temp sensor first, especially since you say that it starts fine once it warms up. Maybe someone out there could provide a "normal" cold reading voltage value at the sensor that you could compare??
 

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Hey W,
Just came across this thread. Might be relevant to your problem.

 

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pop off the return line (top one on the pump plate) and turn the key. make sure fuel is coming out of the return line. Hoses on the pump plate assembly can crack or come off so even though it appears the pump is working, not enough fuel is making it to the rail.

If you get it to start on starting fluid, will it stay running if you hold the throttle open? Make sure the iat and ect senors are reading the same when it's cold and the reading make sense for the ambient temp.
 

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Hey everyone have got it sorted. She's a runner and i'm fucking loving it! Thank you for all the help. Replaced sprag clutch, rebuilt starter and new battery as it failed a load test. There is still a noise coming from back by alternator, sprag clutch area, which was there before I pulled it apart. Everything looked ok to me so something I've missed, carrier bearing maybe? It's going great so I'm just going to ride it look into that after summer. Merry Xmas. Cheers. 🍻
 
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