I'm out. Read a magazine review of them and it was scathing. Actually rather scary. So true or not i'm gonna pass. As to the excedra, i had a set and the rear was the shorted lived of all the tires i have tried on it, about 4k miles. I liked the handling and feel a lot but no way would i buy another when they lasted 33% less than any other I've used. Plus the excedra isn't nearly as budget priced as shinko which was the main reason i was looking at them in the first place. Anyways, best rear tire to date for me has been the avon spirit st, so i just bit the bullet and ordered another one. Being retired and on a very strict budget I canb't afford to ride much anymore so i really didn't want to go back to the st but i guess you just can't win with cheap tires. Seems they are either dangerous or short lived or both.