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post #11 of 15 (permalink) Old 07-21-2010, 11:43 AM Thread Starter
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Interesting update...

I finally got the oil seal off using a self tapping screw into the seal after carefully driling a small hole through the metal band. A good hard teady pull got the seal off. Unfortunately, it looks like someon else tried this job before me as there were some scratches on the sleeve that I know I didn't put tere since I was nowhere near those areas. Two are of concern as they are too deep to sand out. One is just ahead of where the seal sits and the other seems to be just under the outer edge of the seal and barely a millimeter long. It looks like I may need a replacement sleeve. What was interesting was this. As I gently wet sanded the scratch on the seal, a bit of water dropped onto the toothed shaft (less than a drop, actually). As I spun the sleeve looking for other scratches, it seemed to spin more freely than before so I gave it a good tug and Yikes!..it came right off. The only other thing I used there was some rubbing alcohol on a swab to clean off the surface of the sleeve and toothed shaft, but that stuff evaporates quite quickly so unless it disolved some grease, it would seem that a little bit of water was enough lubrication to allow the sleeve to slide off. I wish I had known this earlier! Oh well, at least the sleeve is off, although that doesn't resolve the scratch issue.

If the force is with me, will it be easier to get my bike onto its centrestand?
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post #12 of 15 (permalink) Old 07-21-2010, 03:03 PM Thread Starter
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Well, here's a closeup of what someone did to the sleeve - I've circled the marks. As you can see, the middle one is just outside the seating area of the seal and the left one is just on the front edge of where the seal sits. I then noticed the right hand one in about the middle of the area where the seal sits. I sanded lightly with 400 then 600 and finally 1500 (all wet) and what you see is what's left. A new sleeve is on order (At the astounding price of $3.00 USD!). May the guy who did this be plagued with terminal Jock Itch!
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post #13 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-10-2019, 06:29 PM
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Unhappy Countershaft sleeve

I know it's been many years since this conversation, but I'll give it a try. So my problem is of the similar matter. I have a Legend TT 2000, it is basically same triple and a Haynes Manual is one for all of the triples. So I've had an oil leak through the seal, I've got new seal from a dealer and could not remove the sleeve, made some scratches on the sleeve but put tape over it and installed it over the sleeve. It started leaking a lot less but still the chain and the rear sprocket is getting dirty. So I got onto this forum, read some threads and figured that it's best to get a seal from a "bearing" place and so I did. And as you mentioned the sleeve is only $3 Cad (price is still same) I ordered it. But when I got to draining the oil and opening the sprocket cover I decided that I have to beat the sleeve and while doing that I made lots of scratches and grooves on it so there was no way back. I don't know why, but its like a press fit. It was so tight, I had to put lots of penetration oil on it and waited for hours. And when I got it off its not coming back on (so tight)
Modern bikes all of them, have an O-ring over the countershaft and the sleeve fits easily, but this has to be tight because otherwise the oil will sneak underneath it. So right now my problem is that the sleeve dealer gave me is different from what I took of my bike. The rear inside bevel is not wide and thin enough and the sleeve just hits the metal with a matching sound. I contacted dealer and they ordered one more sleeve for me. But you know, it is a beautiful bike and every time they look at me as at a looser saying (we don't take on service bikes older than 2002). And when I needed a starter solenoid dealer said it's discontinued and I can't get a new one from them . . . And the sleeve that I got went by the part number and all of the proper specs. And now I can't put it together and ride and the season is coming to an end

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Any Ideas ??? Thank you !

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post #14 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-11-2019, 11:52 AM
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Hi Darthandy, I like your signature sign off. "If the force is with me...
I had the same problem with my Sprint and Trophy. I cut out a small amount from the center stand, then inserted a metal tube and roll pins to reassemble the center stand back together. Doing it this way I could cut off a little more of the center stand if needed, rather than cut a chunk and welding it back together. My brother's Super III was nearly impossible to get on the center stand because the rear tire was about 2 inches off the ground. I cut out a piece, reassemble with the inserted metal tube, and try it out. Nope, that's not enough. Back to cutting off another small piece.
I cut out just enough to get the rear tire barely off the ground Now it's much easier to get the bike on the center stand.
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WOW ! VERY old thread ...J.D.
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