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post #71 of 79 (permalink) Old 07-12-2019, 10:58 AM
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The steering head is a F$%* fixed part of the frame and cannot change. I get what all you guys are saying bit I am at a loss to see how you cannot see rake and trail will definetly change but steering head is a fixed part of frame
I thought I said that each time I posted that the steering head is a fixed part of the frame. The discussion I thought the was about the dynamic change of rake and trail.
Of course this whole discussion hacked the trail braking .

The question now is do I ride with my peers (old farts) or my grandson and his friends this weekend. Who will do more trail braking - ??

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Wait a minute, the steering head is welded to the frame, like's it part of the frame? It doesn't float freely? So the forks are physically connected to the rest of the bike? Are you sure @Roasted or are you just messing with us? I'll pull my tank off and check for myself, but I think maybe a prank is being pulled here
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For cryin' out Pete's sake, just You Tube it, and let an instructor explain it for ya....
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I might try some trail braking, hang on I been doing that for forty years
So you been doing it but don't know how it works. Well that's cool. Most of us don't know how a computer works, but we know it does work, and we know to use one, and someone smarter than us knows how to make it. That's all that matters.

I've been riding for 40+ years and never trail braked as a deliberate strategy until the last couple of years. It was always brake in to a corner and accelerate out with no front brake in the corner itself. But then in the twisties you get the situation where a corner tightens on you unexpectedly or similar and you get the urge to jump on the front brake. This is bad of course and so taking in a bit of advice from actual motorcycle trainers on how to deal with that scenario seems like a good idea.
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I give up , you guys can ride your bikes with steering head angles that miraculously change in the welded position from the factory.
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At least you tried Roasted. You know, some guys can't learn cuz they already know everything, it's a sad thing really.
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I give up , you guys can ride your bikes with steering head angles that miraculously change in the welded position from the factory.
You don't have to know why it works....just know that it does work.
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I know how and why it works , done many track days. Just cannot understand how everybody thinks their steering head angle can change from grabbing front brake. Yes the whole front end dives and puts weight on the front tyre, but that does not change the factory welded angle. The whole geometry changes not the head angle.
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I know how and why it works , done many track days. Just cannot understand how everybody thinks their steering head angle can change from grabbing front brake. Yes the whole front end dives and puts weight on the front tyre, but that does not change the factory welded angle. The whole geometry changes not the head angle.
No one thinks the head angle changes and you know it. You are trolling.
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