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post #11 of 26 (permalink) Old 11-04-2018, 09:19 PM
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If you're not going to use it what good is it?
A buddy of mine is a hoarder and he had a 74 Norton Commando in a crate for years and was never going to open up the crate as it would decrease the value.
There was a fire, it burned up and that was the end of that.
Never rode the bike, never even saw the entire thing.
What a waste.
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If you're not going to use it what good is it?
A buddy of mine is a hoarder and he had a 74 Norton Commando in a crate for years and was never going to open up the crate as it would decrease the value.
There was a fire, it burned up and that was the end of that.
Never rode the bike, never even saw the entire thing.
What a waste.
Gawd..., way to turn my Sunday night to shyst...
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Hmmm... I see the Trident is NLA. I'm guessing the seller got an offer he couldn't refuse?
Biker friend who is eBay smart said it was a scam, and this seller is known for it. Friends bid up price - if real bid does not come in, they delist it before auction ends. No harm, no foul.

Seems like that to me - guy has only other junk......

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Biker friend who is eBay smart said it was a scam, and this seller is known for it. Friends bid up price - if real bid does not come in, they delist it before auction ends. No harm, no foul.

Seems like that to me - guy has only other junk......

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Shill bidding to drive up the price is prohibited on Ebay and in real live auctions...And artificially driving up prices is bad more the market so there is harm and foulness by jackasses that do it..

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Well, FWIW he did state in the ad "Iím auctioning this no reserve but if I feel itís not going to bring the right money I will pull the ad."

Maybe he was looking for $50k
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Well, FWIW he did state in the ad "Iím auctioning this no reserve but if I feel itís not going to bring the right money I will pull the ad."

Maybe he was looking for $50k
Canceling an auction while there's bids is permissible on Ebay and most real life auctions with some restrictions...Canceling an auction because shill bidding didn't attract real bids is slimy

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One hopes the auction participants aren't expecting this, because it isn't the only one ... Also, at least three distinct versions of the T160 are known, at least to those possessing Anorak With Fur Trimmed Hood; by the engine/frame number, this is a 'middle' version.
can you elaborate on this a little? I wasn't aware of this, what are the differences?
If, by "elaborate", you mean "it isn't the only one", at least one 'still crated' T160 was mentioned on TOL, and I'm relatively certain there are at least a couple of others.

Otoh, if you mean "the differences", a recent TOL thread and there have been several others over the years.

Most of the listed changes were made from different engine numbers; however, most people interested in such things identify:-

. Engines before 03356 in March 1975 have the same 1/4" ID oil-tank-to-pump inlet components as T150's. From 03356, NVT started to upgrade the oil pump and inlet to the larger 5/16" ID - the bigger tank filter, tank-to-engine pipe and stubs were fitted from 03356 ... the holes in the crankcase were enlarged from 04239, oil pump holes enlarged from 04421 ...

. Also up to about 03356, the carbs. have the T150-style throttle-closing spring on the gantry and small springs just to keep the needles in place, incorrectly identified in the TOL post as "6. Early 626/66, 67 have lighter throttle valve springs". It's the carbs. after this that have a "throttle valve spring" in each carb. - as in Concentrics fitted to twins and singles - but, because three of those standard springs (Amal #622/131) made for a heavy throttle on a triple, each T160 spring (#622/277) was/is lighter.

. Rubber-mounted rider's footrests fitted and front engine mounting changed from about 05500 (iirc) in July 1975. Before, the footrests are bolted to the rear engine plates and the front engine mounting is timing-side plate welded to the front downtube, removeable drive-side plate secured to the front downtube with short bolts into threaded inserts in the downtube. After, both front plates are removeable, secured through the downtube with long bolts. Also, the earlier drive-side front plate has a thin spacer welded on the engine side of the 7/16" ID hole, the later plate doesn't have the spacer ...

So, 'early' before 03356, 'late' have rubber-mounted footrests and later front engine mounting, 'middle' are in between.

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my '75 T150V
You're aware there is really no such thing? It might have a "K" year (second) letter but they were all built between July and early November 1974, when T150 production ceased; the first T160 engines being produced on 14th November 1974. NVT considered the T160 to be 'the' '75 triple.

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An American dealer quickly came up with a "Beauty Kit"
You sure you aren't confusing stories with the much later TSX?

Aiui, there were considerable misgivings about both triples' styling before building started in the spring of '68 and an alternative styling exercise for the T150 based on the twins was carried out at Meriden. However, given Hopwood, Hele and Wickes had sat with the Ogle Design guys, and there was apparently pressure for a styling change right up to Group Board level ... So, when the T150 did turn out to be a poor seller (in the US, worse than the Rocket 3 in that first year ), Meriden had the "beauty kit" pretty-much ready to go while it took Small Heath more than another year to come up with something similar but not so practical for the Rocket 3. Just as an aside, the "beauty kit" mufflers were developed specifically for the T150, they aren't twin ones, so they wouldn't have been available to "An American dealer".

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It worked so well
Mmmm ... it worked so well that Triumph and BSA between 'em sold around 3,000 triples in the US in '69 ... while Honda sold around ten times as many CB750's ... The last '69 T150's weren't dispatched from Meriden 'til February 1970. The '1970' triples tested in US magazines were beauty-kitted '69 bikes. Actual '70 T150's - not made 'til April and May 1970 - total less than 300, in both 'UK & General Export' and 'North American' variants (so they make pricey Hurricanes look two-a-penny ...). Only 240 '70 Rocket 3 engines were built, of which BSA managed to turn less than a 150 into actual bikes, despite giving some away to several to senior BSA and Triumph managers and celebrities like Mike Hailwood and actor Ralph Richardson, exported a big, fat zero to allegedly their biggest market, finally gave up trying to sell 'em in November 1970.

And, having come up with some nicer styling bits for the T150, someone in Meriden decided they should be supplied painted Pond Sludge Green ...

All-in-all, a rip-roaring success ...

Changing the subject, what's the (hi)story of the bike in your picture? Your bike?

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I clicked on this thread, then searched for the listing. Finally found it, and the listing read, no reserve, and he would end it early if it didn't look like it was going get what he wanted? What the heck was that all about?

I don't understand why, new "still in crate", would increase the value, over new, with zero miles?? But then I don't understand why some roached and rusted POS bike, drug out of a barn, with original paint, is more desirable than a professionally restored bike either???
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Not entirely sure why they didn't "hurricane" a few as although the hurricane was a marmite bike, it would have shifted
In "few" and "marmite bike", you've answered your own question.

In '75, the standard T160 retailed in GB for about 20% more than a CB750 - i.e. a bike a made in GB retailed in its country of manufacture for about 20% more than a bike shipped half-way 'round the world ... Both makers' biggest market was the US, about half-way between the two manufacturing countries ... but Honda had the economies of scale shipping in many times more CB750's, never mind all the other models to fill probably every container and shipping slot the company could lay its hands on ... NVT simply did not have the financial resources to re-engineer the Hurricane body components to fit the Triumph frame (the Hurricane's BSA frame was entirely different).

And there were original Hurricanes still sitting around unsold in 1975. All else being equal, an "X76" was still the answer to a question no-one was asking.

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