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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 11-06-2019, 03:31 PM Thread Starter
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You get what you pay for

I might cause a bit of a stir posting this but here goes

I have been following the latest trend to knock Triumph on all things lately - prices are too high , quality slipping, too many recalls etc etc

And lots of people are comparing Triumphs to Royal Enfield 650. This motorcycle is better in all departments apparently.The best thing since 270 degree firing order

I am, and always will be, of the belief that you get what you pay for, be that reputation,reliabilty,finish,quality,whatever

Triumph motorcycles are no more expensive than their direct competition sich as Ducati,BMW and KTM

The latest Royal Enfield 650 is a nice old fashioned 650, reminds me of my 1976 Bonneville. If this is what you want in a motorcycle go for it. Just please stop bagging Triumph as they make amazing motorcycles that are quality products

Just my 2c worth (which is not much granted)

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post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old 11-06-2019, 03:31 PM Thread Starter
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Sorry for the rant.
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It’s all relative. I definitely don't thing paying $13600 for a Tiger XRX that has ZERO, I mean 0 front and almost 0 rear suspension adjustability, besides preload, and 2 piston calipers got me what I paid for...

You say price is similar to Ducati and BMW etc... what do you say about a 12K bike that CAN BE ALSO FOUND DISCOUNTED right upon release with IMU standard? That’s the Ninja1000, btw. If such thing exists, well, then you don’t get what you pay for on the rest....

Do you think a Daytona is worth the price? Track tools like the ZX10R SE and R1 go for cheaper than the insane 22k or about about tag of the new one. And the 15K tag of the old one was still crazy with the only “tech” on it being a slipper cutch, and for a 128hp 675 engine. Yes, very nice machine, but how can I justify the same price as a ZX10R LOADED with tech that sells for 13K new?

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Don't think comparing to what you can find in a Japanese bike is relevant for Triumph. The Japanese companies are so much larger in scale than Triumph. I did buy a leftover 2014 Ninja1000ABS for a discount of $3K. In fact, comparing to other makes and models, which of course is what riders and journalists do, is not the point in buying a bike. In my view. If you want a Triumph, then what they offer, trim and price is what you are willing to accept. I do agree that comparing Triumphs to RE is not a fair or even proper comparison. If you can't justify what Triumph offers and their price compared to another make and model, then you purchase the other brand. Triumph's sales volume is that of Ducati. Both small in comparison to BMW and KTM.

Buying a motorcycle comes down to passion, perception, needs and price. It's all good.
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Thanks Felony you put what i wanted to say so much better😀

Cheers mate. Lets all just keep on riding no matter what bike we own
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And lots of people are comparing Triumphs to Royal Enfield 650. This motorcycle is better in all departments apparently.The best thing since 270 degree firing order
You think the Triumph is worth almost twice the price of an Enfield Interceptor when both are technology challenged with wire wheels, tubes tires, twin shocks, short travel forks, scant dealer locations, and importers who seem to be their brand's worst enemies?

As much as I like my AC T100 I'd rather have spent under $6k for a Royal Enfield Interceptor because both might end up orphaned in the US in a few years with no resale value and hard to get parts for. Had I done that I'd have the $5k I wouldn't have spent extra to get a Triumph to put towards a new ride.

Ducati offers far more tech in their bikes than Triumph and a better dealer network right now and BMW dealer network, parts availability, resale value, and management is so far superior to Triumph it isn't even a comparison.

The motorcycle business is not the motorcycle business anymore and manufacturers clinging to the way motorcycle business was done are done or soon will be. Even HD is feeling the heat.
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Compared to an old AC Bonneville, you might have a point. The newer Triumph bikes are just far nicer than the RE(s) IMO, and there are more models and nicer accessories...albeit a bit expensive. I like what RE is doing though, it is nice to have choices and I wish them lots of success. I would love to see them put out a production model of their little race bike they made. As someone else said, bike purchases are down to passion and what ticks your emotional boxes. Trying to reduce it to some cost benefit analysis just doesn't work....at least for the reasons most of us choose motorcycles, as recreational and luxury expenditures. I don't care if a cheaper bike has all the goodies if it doesn't move me one bit. If that were the case, we would all be riding the same bikes.

OP has been watching too much Stuart Filingham on YT if I had to guess. He seems to have a hard on for Triumph Corp. or whatever, and his channel has become the RE channel...oh and the Motone channel lol. I like his channel, but he can be a bit much sometimes.

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I bought a Royal Enfield INT650 in September after a long wait and have enjoyed the short time the weather cooperated to ride it. Nice bike, enough power, nice handling and Harris did a great job on the frame. I have a 1996 Triumph Thunderbird as well and have ridden both modern versions of the Bonneville and wouldn’t say the RE is the equal to the Bonneville or even my Thunderbird. There are some concessions with the RE but I fully realized that going in yet a thoroughly fun bike to ride. My 2 cents
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Thanks Felony you put what i wanted to say so much better😀

Cheers mate. Lets all just keep on riding no matter what bike we own<img src="https://www.triumphrat.net/images/TriumphRat_2015/smilies/tango_face_smile.png" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
Ok so the original post compared Triumph with RE but don’t compare Triimph with the big Japanese?

I’ll tell you what I compare. A 2017 brand new old stock CBR1000RR, a 17000 dollar bike, for 9.9K. And then you have the old model Daytona’s selling for 15K and no discounts ever. Who in their right mind would not get a bike fully loaded with goodies for 6 K less? As much as I love the Daytona, I never pulled the trigger. I did however on the CBR.

This post is what you get for the price. It is irrelevant to me the reasons why. I don’t care if Triumph is small or big, my pocket does not care. Read my comment above about my Tiger and tell me if you think the lack of those features on a 13.6K bike is acceptable to you.

A 200 HP zx10r SE for 20k with electronic suspension, IMU, marchessini wheels, piggy back forks, and an “inspired by moto2 Daytona” for 22K? I’ll pass.
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Ok so the original post compared Triumph with RE but don’t compare Triumph with the big Japanese?

I’ll tell you what I compare. A 2017 brand new old stock CBR1000RR, a 17000 dollar bike, for 9.9K. And then you have the old model Daytona’s selling for 15K and no discounts ever. Who in their right mind would not get a bike fully loaded with goodies for 6 K less? As much as I love the Daytona, I never pulled the trigger. I did however on the CBR.

This post is what you get for the price. It is irrelevant to me the reasons why. I don’t care if Triumph is small or big, my pocket does not care. Read my comment above about my Tiger and tell me if you think the lack of those features on a 13.6K bike is acceptable to you.

A 200 HP zx10r SE for 20k with electronic suspension, IMU, marchessini wheels, piggy back forks, and an “inspired by moto2 Daytona” for 22K? I’ll pass.
I hear you loud and clear Evangelos. The Japanese make damn good bikes at highly competitive prices, especially in the leftover and used market. In my case, I recently traded my '17 Speed Triple with only 4,000 miles on it for a 2015 Yamaha FJR1300 ES with only 6,600 miles on it. In addition to the traction control and ABS my Speed Triple had, the FJR also has electronically adjustable suspension, heated grips, large hard bags, and superior comfort/wind protection for touring. And man that FJR is fast! Sure the Speed Triple is still faster and handles a bit better but for me, I prioritized comfort higher than acceleration and handling.

I just never bonded with the late model Speed Triple like I did my two previous 2007 models and wanted a long range touring bike instead. Surprisingly, the 2015 FJR1300 ES retained more of its value than the 2017 Speed Triple did and was worth roughly $500 to $1,000 more than the Speed Triple according to NADA despite it being two model years older. However, the fellow I traded with was younger and loved how light and lithe the Speed Triple was so it was a good trade for both of us. Now I'll be looking for a Roulette Green 2007 Speed Triple which was the best Speed Triple I ever owned.
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